Talk: The Lich (character)

Renamed it to "The Lich". Pen andother cast members have stated his name has been changed. Four-Eyes 22:50, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Sore Loser

Yeah, to provide some actual evidence: when asked about the Lich King, Adam Muto responded, calling him The Lich: [1]. Also, Pen referred to him by that name in a Wondercon interview. [2] Later Mr. Muto basically confirmed the name change: [3] The reason for the change should be fairly obvious, I think. --Cornprone 00:56, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

GRAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! Fine!! Whatever!! Change the frickin' name!! See if I care!! And whoever that guy was, he wasn't sharp!! He was stupid...(Grumbles...) Bankaibuddy15 01:08, April 20, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15

Actually the person who asked that question... was me. :) --Cornprone 01:16, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oh. (Awkward.) Sorry o_o Bankaibuddy15 01:25, April 20, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15

One more Reference

A reference to the Lich is of course, An NES classic, Final Fantasy (original)! The lich is the fiend in the earth cave after you beat the Vampire. The Lich is actually the easiest fiend. 1 or 2 hits from a fighter or Fir3 is effective. If you want more on this or REAL PROOF go to RPG classics (you could just search it in google) or just go through grueling stuff like i do! (reccomemded: Fighter;Knight Theif;Ninja RedMage;RedWizard BlackBelt;Master)

P.S.

when you get the mystic key go to the Fiends palace, or the first boss castle to get epic swords!

• Edit: Go through the grueling stuff i do: play the game to figure out your self

98.179.29.54 13:07, June 6, 2011 (UTC)Citrus

The idea of a lich originally comes from folklore. Is there any reason to believe that this lich is inspired by the Final Fantasy one as opposed to, say, the D&D one? --Cornprone 21:42, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia, originally the Lich is based off of Roman Catholicism, from ages ago. It isn't very notable and would be like stating that the Golem is based off of Judaism. felinoel ~ (Talk) 22:43, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Main Character

Why is The Lich be considered a main character? —Preceding unsigned comment added by A hero boy named Finn (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

He should not be, so I removed it. --Cornprone 00:05, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Rename

Seeing as how the renaming of this page is limited to admins only, can one of you rename the page to "The Lich (character)" Seeing as how there is an episode named after him? Or do you think we should wait to see if the name of the episode changes? --Sparda494 23:19, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

We could wait. You know, I actually don't see the need to rename it anyway. For example, on Wikipedia, if there are two or more pages with the same title, often the more commonly used one just keeps the name with no label in parentheses. Then is has a disambiguation notice (which would have to be there anyway) linking to the other uses. And I'm fine with that, even though we've handled it differently in the past. --Cornprone 01:03, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, waiting sounds like a good move. felinoel ~ (Talk) 20:14, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Now it needs to be renamed to The Lich (disanbigution). Blaze, The Flame Prince 14:18, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Why? It seems fine as is for the moment imo... felinoel 15:39, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

I see that this change was already made ("The Lich" to "The Lich (character)"). Is this the way we're going to keep it or are we going to do it Cornprone's way? I'd like to know because there about 50 pages that link to "The Lich" (which is the disambiguation page) instead of "The Lich (character)" and I'm in the process of fixing the links that link to disambiguation pages. SaberSworn 19:44, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Title and capitalization

There are multiple places in the articles that refer to him as "the Lich" instead of "The Lich." Based on the belief that "The" is part of his actual title, I'd say that it has to be capitalized, since all the beginning of all titles has to be capitalized. So I suppose my question is: is "the" actually part of his title? SaberSworn 19:47, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

I doubt it. But I don't think that's relevant.--Afliador8 19:50, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. It is part of his title, like the way it is used in the show. Sky Monster 19:53, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. That's what I though. It needs to be capitalized then. SaberSworn 20:01, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

They spell out his name in the show? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 20:23, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

I do not recall that... Which episode? SaberSworn 20:25, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Come on... what I meant to say was that they refer to him as "The Lich." Plus, it is on the model sheet. Sky Monster 20:27, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind about the madel sheet, for now. I thought I remember seeing a model sheet that called him "The Lich." Sky Monster 20:30, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well of course it would, it is just those two words alone, they would start it out with a lowercase the? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 00:04, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't the Lich count as a possible former human? 6/3/2012, 1:50 AM—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.116.190 (talk • contribs)

Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Don't just manually sign it. Also, saying that The Lich is possibly a former human is speculative and not needed. SaberSworn 16:52, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

King Worm Episode

Is there really promo art of the Lich hugging PB? I could not find it, so I'm not sure whether that fact is true or not. August 10, 11:19 PM

Since the episode is in Finn's dream, it is more believable. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 16:49, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

New Ability

Can we add in the Lich's abilities to give nightmares as seen in the "The Lich" short preview?Superj1e2z6 (talk) 07:09, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Speculation, so no. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 18:35, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Letter case

Can we agree here and now that the word "the" in his name should not be capitalized (except at the beginning of a sentence)? See an example of the... non-capitalization of "the" in a person's title in the Wikipedia article for the Red Baron. — Like RootSword(wall) 23:15, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think this is contested. I'm sure it's just something people do because they're not thinking it through when they write. If you see it, change it. Lailoken (Talk) 23:45, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

I know it's not contested, and I already do fix the errors; I just hoped that if it was pointed out, less people would make the mistake, or more people would fix them. — Like RootSword(wall) 23:52, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, though, should this article be titled "Lich" instead of "The Lich"? Technically "the" isn't part of his name, it's just used to distinguish uniqueness (like "the Ice King"). Lailoken (Talk) 00:11, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I think the name comes from a modelsheet; Ice King's modelsheet doesn't include "the." So I think no. — Like RootSword(wall) 00:14, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I thought that at first, but the only modelsheets I could find for him (which are also in this article's gallery) call him "Lich King" and "Frozen Lich King." With Ice King, that was kind of my point; he is sometimes referred to as "the Ice King," but it's not in his official title. I thought maybe it's a similar situation with the Lich, except that someone decided to put "the" in the article title when it was created. Lailoken (Talk) 00:53, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right about the modelsheet thing; I guess my memory just failed me. I think that since the Lich is always referred to as such in the show, I think the "the" is important to his name, more important than the "the" in Ice King's title which is only sometimes used, as you said (though I can think of one (but only one) instance where he was just called "Lich"). Also, they never refer to him like "that lich" or "some lich" which makes the "the" more important. I think we should keep the "the" in the title until there's a new modelsheet that excludes it, like in the case of Bear and Stag. — Like RootSword(wall) 02:38, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm, never thought about it proceeding titles and whether or not it should be capitalized before them... File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 17:27, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Cleaning up the information his origin?

The section describing the Lich's possible origin seems to have been written and edited by various different people at different times. There's quite a bit of redundancy and speculation in it. Does anybody object to me cleaning this up a bit? Also the quote about "a ghost possessing a corpse" seems a bit off if memory serves me. The gist is correct but the wording should probably be checked and fixed if its off. Somebody seems to have put a note on the quote saying its unverified. So long as nobody objects I will try and verifty or correct this.Melting Sky (talk) 09:13, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

If you see something wrong then fix it.

As for a ghost possessing a corpse, the ghost was the Lich and the corpse was Billy. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 18:23, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Speculation on page

In this page plus The Great Mushroom War page it says the mushroom bomb ended the war when there is no proof of that the possible repn they did not use more in finn the human is because the 1st one did not explode and they did not know simon froze it thus they may have thought it did not work. VaxzEastHitSnail (talk) 21:37, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Possessed forms

I believe the possessed forms section should be renamed to "Alternate forms and disguises". The Possessed Jake was an alternate version. Well, somewhat, but you get the point. And the normal world possessed people were more of disguises which the Lich used to trick people. What do you think? TheMostBoringManInTheWorld (talk) 05:32, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Royalty Status?

shouldn't the lich not be under the categories of "royalty" and "kings" due to him not actually ruling anything nor actually having any subjects to rule.Animaltamer7 (talk) 08:46, April 13, 2013 (UTC)Animaltamer7Animaltamer7 (talk) 08:46, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

So what's the lich actual status?

Isn't the Lich officially dealt with now? Shouldn't his status be changed to deceased?

93.37.208.168 15:49, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

The Lich is undead. He can't die. Being defeated doesn't automatically make him dead. -- Being boring is boring. 15:54, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Plus, he wasn't even defeated, all that happened was that he was left in that universe with the wish granter. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 12:36, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Added a topic of weaknesses of the Lich,

The page talks about weaknesses of the Lich naming the sweater PB gave Finn that possessed the power of "liking someone a lot". But then goes on to note that while the Lich possessed PB the sweater did not affect her.

Could this be that the Lich's weakness is not the sweater itself but the confidence the sweater gave Finn to fight the Lich. That way when he thought the Lich was PB the sweater would have no effect because Finn doidnt initilly sense any danger.

"'twas beauty killed the beast" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielmunro (talk • contribs)

Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 14:51, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Age confirmed?

As of "Jake The Dog", we know that the Lich was born from the Mushroom Bomb, launched 1000 years ago as of Season 5. Thus would it be fair to give him an Age of 1000? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redjirachi (talk • contribs)

Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Also, the Lich is dead, he has no age since he is dead... File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:08, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

We really don't know if he is dead though. Last I saw him he was possessing Billy in the Time Room with our buddy Prismo. I did not see him die. Heeeeeeeeeeeere's JOHNNY !!! 15:31, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

We know he is dead because he is a lich, liches are all dead. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 17:44, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

The Lich is undead, not dead. Marceline's undead, yet she has an age. Plus Prismo said that you're sent to the altered reality after making your wish, so the Lich is back on Ooo. The real question is if we should put the Lich's age at 1000 or 1000+, since we don't know the relationship between his pre-bomb self and him —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redjirachi (talk • contribs)

Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~).Heeeeeeeeeeeere's JOHNNY !!! 00:15, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

In order to be undead, you have to die. In all instances of undeath someone has died before becoming it.

My position on Marceline's species would force me to argue against that statement, so to preserve the topic on hand I will not respond on the subject of Marceline but stick to the subject of undeath.

File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 17:46, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Being, Spirit or Undead

There seems to be an edit war about the Lich being a spirit or an undead stemming from when Prismo stated that the Lich was "a ghost wearing a dead guy". I can certainly understand the view that he's a spirit, but from what we know from the show (I don't read the comic), either the Lich is currently merely possessing Billy's body, in which case he's still the original Lich (you'd think someone would have checked/repaired his imprisonment after Princess Bubblegum's possession) or he has completely abandoned his original body and is now inhabitting Billy's corpse which is a lich with a new body. Until the Lich is shown doing something, or even just "existing" in spirit form only, I think it's reasonable that he continue to be considered an undead. KADC "Be unreasonable." (talk) 18:33, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Yami Arashi's solution. Referring to the Lich as a being or entity bypasses the entire argument and should end this edit war. KADC "Be unreasonable." (talk) 20:24, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Many consider a lich AND a spirit as being undead, we should leave it as undead then. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 09:01, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

"Lolol lich must be refernce lolol herp derp"

All you people saying the Lich is based off some video game or franchise are incredibly narrow-minded. Fanbois shouldnt have wiki accounts, I wouldnt be surprised if bronies turned up and referced everything to their lame pony show. A 'lich' is as generic a creature as a goblin or elf, this lich isnt based off of your lame final fantasy or warcraft. Try to gain and education before altering the trivia. EDIT: just realised that these same people wont be smart enough to see the subtely in the spelling...—Preceding unsigned comment added by Grabyourfriends (talk • contribs)

Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). This type of discussion belongs in the forums. Please keep talk page posts to about only improving the article itself.Heeeeeeeeeeeere's JOHNNY !!! 21:44, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Living Lich

Should the living lich have his own article? There is far too much information for him undead and he is completely different alive... File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 14:28, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think so. It's like Shoko and Ghost Lady, which we have as one article. They're both the same on the inside, right? —Bellamybug (talk) 20:58, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Sweet Lich

So yeah, does anyone else think that Lich and Sweet P. need separate wiki pages? They are very different, or even opposite. "One is end and other is beginning".

Sweet P. will mention evil awakening within when exposed to fire and his nightmares, and Lich page will just mention that he now resides inside a mortal body.

Also separate page for Farmworld Lich, that mentions his shape-shifting ability and interactions with Ice Finn. How about that?

Same goes for Gunther and Orgalorg. Why? Because Gunther is a name that refers to several different penguins, one of them happens to be Orgalorg, who craves destruction (of bottles) and gives birth to demon kitties or something.

Simon called Marcy Gunther too, and Ice Finn called Big Destiny Gunther, that doesn't mean that we should name them like that. Gunther is only true name to the dinosaur. So IMO Orgalorg should be in the headline.

CatsGoPurrple (talk) 15:54, February 17, 2016 (UTC)