Talk: Sons of Mars

I was wondering if it was cool for me to add Glob as a character. I think we all know he'll be in this episode, but I'm perfectly cool if it's not OK. Mr.treetrunks 21:05, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

no, it is not ok because it has not been 100% confirmed yet. "Fear the Demon " 21:07, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, Grob Gob Glob Grod will be in this episode, but we don't add it until it is actually confirmed. Sky Monster 21:08, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

OKMr.treetrunks 21:10, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Why is this listed as July 2? Jesse Moynihan said that it would air in four weeks! Not 2!

Why is this listed as July 2? Jesse Moynihan said that it would air in four weeks! Not 2! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.199.115.217 (talk • contribs)

Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:35, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Airdate Coincidence

July 9 just happens to be my birthday! BNSF1995, Alive since 1995 20:27, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

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Well good for you, Adventure Time made your birthday special.Penguins are cute and AWESOME! 08:22, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

That is nice, since I looked at the schedule on Cartoonnetwork.com and saw that no new epsiode will air on that day. Looks like there will be at least one more week until this episode airs. --Sky 08:36, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

It appears the airdate is now July 23. Soooo, no birthday premiere. BNSF1995, Alive since 1995 21:24, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

July 2nd is my birthday. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 18:07, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Now before anyone jumps to conclusions

That deer in the long preview is not necessarily the deer from "No One Can Hear You". Just saying just in case. --RootSword 11:14, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

If anyone's wondering - the preview Kasumisty 11:18, July 17, 2012 (UTC)Kasumisty

Since we have the confirmed preview, do we need the link or reference for Magic Man anymore?

Fire is AWESOME| 12:37, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Nope Kasumisty 12:39, July 17, 2012 (UTC)Kasumisty

Ok thanks cause I was just wondering.

Fire is AWESOME| 12:41, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Admittedly, I was a little unsure about adding that info, but I think it might be fine to say that he may be reappearing. It does not seem that speculative, especially from what we saw, the deer looks just like him in every way. I even remember some trivia bits like this from past episode pages. --Sky 03:46, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

All deer look like other deer in almost every way; there really aren't many differences between deer. It still seems speculative to me.

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A few other deer have appeared in the show and they did not look the same. They were in "Storytelling" and "Thank You." --Sky 04:26, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

It would be speculative to include info on him. For this case, the Stag was completely different from the other deer. It is best not to include information on the Stag at this time. We need to see the episode to be sure. Right now... I'm only 20% sure that is the Stag. True Sephiroth 04:29, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Saying that he appears to be returning is not even speculation. And, like I said before, we have had trivia bits like this before. --Sky 04:14, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Interesting bit of info

I was taking a closer look at the title card, and I saw that not only are Grob Gob Glob Grod, Jake, and Magic Man's head carved into that rock, but Abraham Lincoln's is, too. Might this be trivia worthy info? It is pretty hard to notice him. --Sky 04:14, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hm... you are right. I didn't even notice that... in the right corner. I think that would indeed be worth noting in the trivia because not everyone would think of that. True Sephiroth 04:15, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Alright. Would this go under episode connections since he appeared in past episodes? --Sky 04:22, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I believe this would constitute as an episode connection since this makes his 3rd apperance (sort of) and ties into the pilot as well. True Sephiroth 04:39, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Since Abe is supposed to be Jesus I am not sure why it is a surprise? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 17:36, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it is pretty hard to notice him. Also, he is not exactly a religious figure. He is just very well known in Ooo. --Sky 17:39, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

A year or two ago it was said that Abe was supposed to be Ooo's version of Jesus. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 17:58, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but a few months ago, it was said that he is just a well known figure. See the info on Abe's page. --Sky 18:02, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

So... Jesus isn't well known? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 18:03, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Can't find a picture of Grob Gob Glob Grod on the interwebs. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- GrobGobGlobGrod (talk) 00:14, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Lub grub might of been created by the magic man. Seeing one of his crimes was that he created the mars inhabited shadows alive too —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.10.92 (talk • contribs)

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Title card chart

This is what i've come up with.

Chart from son of mars?

Thetyrantx (talk) 21:45, July 24, 2012 (UTC)TheTyrantX

Maybe it is death.and not Abe, he its now a statue. Grass princess (talk) 00:22, July 25, 2012 (UTC) GP

Of course it is him... Hat mole and the overall facial structure. I'm sure the tablet is refering to a profecy that has yet to be explored. Until then, we know it has Magic Man, Finn on the transporter, Jake in the center, Abe, GlobX4 and a mystery hand/or death. True Sephiroth 00:37, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

The lubgrub jack said that looks like his parent could of been his parents shadow. Zan

Wait, WHAT?! Sweet, I must have overlooked the tablet, was wondering what prophecy they spoke of. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 16:15, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Barsoom?

Is it just me or does episode remind me of the Barsoom novels by Edgar Rice Burroughs? 99.120.152.215 08:20, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

New error trivia

• Finn and Grob Gob Glob Grob were both able to make noises in space, however this is impossible.
  • In addition, Finn was breathing in space when he was being transported to Mars.

None of us know how the Mars transporter works, so claiming some error based on a perception of how it works is speculative. Someone already removed this stating that there was a shield, but it was added back saying "what proof do you have that it's not light." Irony.

• Grob Gob Glob Grob was shown to quickly be able to travel from Mars to Earth, so they could have went there to get water during the period of time where Magic Man turned all the water on Mars into hair.

None of us know how difficult it is to use the Mars transporter or what the cost of its use is. Water transportation is not an easy thing. This can't be called an error when it could be easily explained away.

• Finn blamed Jake's death on the King of Mars even though it was technically his fault, and the King of Mars agreed that he made a mistake.

Plot holes can be (and have been) explained by the creators; they do not belong in the "Errors" section. That section is for things that are undeniable mistakes, such as animation errors. Personally, I don't even see it as a plot hole; it seems like a perfectly reasonable course of events. Finn's best friend died, so he lashes out and blames other people. King of Mars is wise and benevolent and accepts responsibility for his actions. Even if Finn caused the immediate event of Jake's death, King of Mars still mistook Jake for Magic Man and condemned him to death. (I was willing to leave this in regular trivia since it's open to interpretation, but it is definitely not an error) Lailoken (Talk) 23:04, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

How do you know the creators actually thought into how the transporter works? It would have been explained if they did. Grob Gob Glob Grod didn't use the transporter to travel from Mars to earth, so I don't know why you are talking about using the Martian transporters to get water from earth... now for that thing about Finn blaming Jake's death on the King of Mars, a I had a conversation about it somewhere on the wiki. I said that Finn could have told them to stop putting him on trial since he had quite enough time to stop it (well, that thing about him having enough time is being added right now) instead of throwing a chair at Grob Gob Glob Grod, so it is indeed an error/plot hole. -- Sky 23:22, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

>How do you know the creators actually thought into how the transporter works? It would have been explained if they did.

Lol things getting explained in AT. Rest of it is more and more speculation. How did he had enough time? It took him a while just to get inside and was able to get to Jake just about as he was going to get executed. And how it's an error? It's just a different plot solution. Seriously, this wiki consist of opinions instead of facts. Kasumisty (talk) 23:25, September 30, 2012 (UTC)Kasumisty

Yes, things being explained in Adventure Time. Are you saying that something as simple as that can't be explained? And that plot holes can exist and the only excuse for it is the show being weird enough for it to make sense? Sounds like a joke I made up about the show once. You didn't even tell why those other trivia bits are opinions and speculation. -- Sky 23:38, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

I never said the creators thought about how the transporter worked. I simply said that we (including you) don't know how it works, so you can't make up your own interpretation of how it works and then claim errors based on that. Maybe it's a shield filled with air, maybe it's just light, maybe it's oxygenated unicorn blood. Speculation.

You're right, I did assume that Glob used the transporter because the pink aura around he and Finn looks the same. However, it doesn't affect my point; You claimed it's easy to travel between Mars and Earth, but you don't know that. You also don't know how hard it would be to transport water using whatever method they use. Again, you're making claims based on your own assumptions and calling them errors.

Just because you think the story could have gone differently or a character didn't behave the way you think they should have doesn't make it an error. I honestly don't even think it's a plot-hole, but I don't care enough to argue that. However, as I said, plot-holes don't belong in the Errors section since they can be explained away. An example being that Jake once said he would probably die if he ate chocolate. Several people pointed out that in later episodes he eats chocolate and doesn't die, but on Formspring the creators just respond by emphasizing the word "probably." So, yes, it was a plot-hole, but it's not an error. Lailoken (Talk) 00:33, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, we can't make up our own interpretations if there is not really any thought put into it... no more can be said about it.

Grob Gob Glob Grod had some pink emitting off of them when they left Ooo. The aura was caused by their own ability to rocket at high speeds. You can see the light at the bottom of them (even around them) as they leave the planet. ...I might be besides the point right now. Actually, I think it kind of proves that the beam from the transporter is simply light? Hm, looks like more was able to be said about that after all.

Anyway, we don't know how hard it is to travel to each planet? Didn't we see Grob Gob Glob Grod visiting earth in the middle of doing so and see Finn go straight from Ooo to Mars? We saw that and just how easy it is. If the martians are an advanced civilization, wouldn't Grob Gob Glob Grod be able to easily get water by uses their devices? Hm, that does seem a little speculative, but they would be able to get water anyway. I do not think Jake's death being blamed on the King of Mars is a plot hole just because things could have went differently, by the way. -- Sky 01:15, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I noticed the rocket when I re-checked the episode, which is why I said you were right, but it is beside the point. The point is that the transporter and whatever method Glob uses are unknown, fictional technologies and you can't claim errors based on your assumptions. If the creators explicitly explained how it worked and it was scientifically unsound, then I would have no issue here, but there was no explanation, so anything said about it is speculation.

I do not want to argue whether or not it is a plot-hole; whatever it is, it's not an error. Your argument is not based on real-world facts, but events in a work of fiction that is currently still being written. Lailoken (Talk) 02:07, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't I end up explaining why the color emitting from Grob Gob Glob Grod was actually important? And the technology about this is still being written? How do you know? Wait, can't we write something like "Finn and Grob Gob Glob Grob were both able to make noises in space, however this is impossible. It is unknown if the beam from the transporter somehow made this possible." But... sigh, that still doesn't explain how Grob Gob Glob Grod and the device made noises...

I know you don't want to argue about that being a plot hole. I was only saying that because you had the wrong idea about what I was saying. -- Sky 02:38, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

"The aura was caused by their own ability to rocket at high speeds." This is also speculation, so it does not explain why the color is important. I did not mean that the technology is still being written, I meant that Adventure Time is still being written (and I was talking about the plot-hole bit).

The premise of your statement about not being able to make noise in space is that Finn and Grob were both exposed to the vacuum of space (obviously, you can make noise in space if you are surrounded by air, such as in the ISS). That is speculation on your part. Also, whenever I see the word "unknown" (especially in trivia) it's a red flag for useless information and/or speculation. You can shove that word in anywhere to make a statement seem valid without actually committing to the idea. "It is unknown if Princess Bubblegum is actually in love with Finn, but can't admit to it because of her royal responsibilities." Very true, yet pointless. Lailoken (Talk) 04:27, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

So, wait, wouldn't this mean the beam from the Martian transporter may not even be by the transporter in the first place? If Grob Gob Glob Grod makes the same light when they are seen rocketing from Ooo, then it wouldn't make sense to assume the beam actually has to do with transporting on the Martian transporter, would it? Which would also mean there is no "shield" that is filled with air or anything? And would in fact mean that it makes no sense for Finn to be able to breathe and make noises in space? You ignored what I said about the beam of light having some connection in appearance in the first place. I know you are saying the aura is unimportant, but it seems like it is.

Now, I don't see it as being pointless. Something like that should be pointed out in some way. -- Sky 06:23, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Er, ignore what I said at the bottom. I have no idea what I was doing. -- Sky 07:34, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Part 2

Too much indentation. "If Grob Gob Glob Grod makes the same light when they are seen rocketing from Ooo" This is speculation, so everything you're basing off of it is also speculation. You keep trying to make your case and explain why what you're saying would lead to the conclusions you've come up with, but anything you say is speculation. I know this because there is not enough evidence in the actual show to base any sort of conclusion off of. Let's try an exercise. Tell me the very core of your argument; the simple fact, directly from the episode, that no one could dispute. Lailoken (Talk) 08:13, October 1, 2012 (UTC)~

How is that speculation if it is seen in the episode? What you have said makes everything else seem like speculation (as I said above) so to you I don't know how it would make sense either way. I think I might need to make myself a bit clearer about something... if it is speculation that Glob emitted color when they rocket from a planet (you said that yourself on your last post before this subsection was made), then it is also speculation that the beam of light from the transporter came from the transporter, which is ridiculous. Also, I think I have asked a lot more questions than making conclusions. I think only one conclusion was made. It was more speculative in the first place that the "shield" had to do with noise and breathing and a lot less to say it was just a beam of light that did nothing special, so how does it make sense to remove the trivia for speculative reasons? Sheesh, a certain other admin can post that Marceline's cave is in the Mountain Kingdom with just about no proof and that is fine for some reason. Now, it is not a reason from the episode, but for reasons that I think I summed up in this post, besides the sentence about a certain other admin. -- Sky 09:57, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

It's not speculation that there appeared to be a light emitting from Glob; however, you're taking many steps after that in order to reach the conclusions which you wrote in the trivia. What I objected to earlier was your claim that the light was caused by them rocketing at high speeds, which doesn't make sense scientifically or in terms of the show (since Glob was covered in the aura while levitating).

Going back to the actual trivia this is about, you claim that it's an error that they can breathe and make sound because you assume that a futuristic, alien, fictional technology which is never explained must leave its passengers exposed to a vacuum. You also claim that there was an error in the story about the water being turned to hair because it would have been easy to have transported water from Earth (even though they're apparently exposed to a vacuum which would instantly boil the water), yet you don't know the logistics of how that would work.

It doesn't matter that your speculation involved less than Kasumisty's. The difference is that she didn't write her theory on the page. You're free to think whatever you want, but without evidence it doesn't belong in the article.

I really don't care what another admin did on another page. Someone else adding incorrect information is not justification for you adding speculation. Lailoken (Talk) 11:28, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Per Lailo I knew you'd come! I had a feeling ^Talk 20:45, October 01, 2012 (UTC)

Same here. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 16:41, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I toke many conclusions/steps to right what I wrote in the trivia and that is the reason why you think I am speculating? Dude, I noticed these things the night this episode aired. I am not speculating at all, but you are speculating by saying that the beam is an excuse for the errors. You never said that the light being caused by high speeds makes no sense until now... and by "cause," I was trying to say that it had to do with it. My mistake, but I only said it was "caused" by high speeds once and you only listen to that one time? Why?

I am new to that thing about water boiling in space, but it didn't take that long to realize a problem with that. If humans are from what I know about 80% water, wouldn't something have happened to Finn from that while he was in space?

I actually didn't realize the info added until I was in the middle of this. It was not my "justification" for adding... again, "speculation?" Alright, tell me where the word "possibly" or anything like that is being used in the error section. Tell me how it is in any way speculation. I really want to know. You have been saying that ever since you first removed the trivia bits. The only reasons you have given so far are speculation, as you said yourself and there is absolutely no proof at all that the beam protected Finn and Jake from the vacuum of space. When was I ever speculating? And when I ask why something (you know, like Glob's light when he began to leave Ooo) is speculation you change your mind and say it is not speculation for some reason. -- Sky 20:00, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't want to poke holes in your speculation earlier, because it doesn't matter what's wrong with your theory; any speculation is not needed on the page. I never said anything about how long it took you to "notice these things," I was referring to the number of steps you take to get from actual, observed events in the show to the trivia that you wrote.

It doesn't have to have the word "possibly" or "may" or "could" to be speculation. Just because you say it with conviction doesn't make it any less speculative (e.g. "Princess Bubblegum is in love with Marceline because she wears the shirt Marceline gave her every night."). You're right that I have no proof that the machine is protecting Finn from the vacuum of space, but you have no proof that it isn't. That's why I'm not replacing your speculation with my own, I'm just removing yours. Speaking of, there are now 4 people who agree that you are speculating and this argument has become long and ridiculous. I am going to remove your trivia again and I hope that you will be considerate enough to leave it that way. Lailoken (Talk) 22:08, October 1, 2012 (UTC)