Talk: Crystal Citadel

Finn's real dad

Okay I was reading about the Crystal Citadel and it mentions Finn's Dad being imprisoned here. Where does the series mention this? If you know please tell me about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ice King 3798 (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

It was part of the Storyboard that was released that Finn's biological father was apparently locked up in there, and there was a scene where Finn found out he was adopted, but this was removed from the episode just like Flame Princess and Finn's "Hot to the touch" kiss, so it should NOT be put in there as fact. Icanhascheezeburger (talk) 01:38, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Would please give me the link to this storyboard then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ice King 3798 (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

http://www.scribd.com/doc/112716702/The-Lich-Storyboard -- Sky 01:54, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

I already found it, But Thanks. - Ice King 3798 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ice King 3798 (talk • contribs)

Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). --I can't go back to yesterday because I was a different person then. 06:52, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Storyboard Relevance

If the storyboard of "The Litch" is going to be mentioned on this page, it should also be clarified that the aired episodes show that the Crystal Citadel is a complete contrast to that previously imagined in the storyboard. This would save people time having to lookup the storyboard to find out if this information is likely to be relevant to the show at all.

Crystal Citadel is not a land where prisoners can physically interact with one another, let alone battle (unless they are able to do so mentally or something). It's now clear that Finn's father is a jerk and certainly not a hero. Considering he quickly sides with the other prisoners, he's very likely not the "unlawfully imprisoned" hero described in the storyboard.

Crystal Citadel probably wouldn't appear as a dimention at all in that multiverse map thing that Booko presents either, since it's not somewhere you can normally travel to anymore. You couldn't open up a dimentional portal to it as suggested in the storyboard. I don't understand how it's marked as Type "Universe" on the main page (though, perhaps it's a parallel universe within the same dimension that Ooo is a part of). If that void master hadn't opened up some portals, it may well have become impossible to ever return once the Guardians were destroyed from what Prismo suggested about how hard it was to gain entry.

Capt. Meat (talk) 12:24, September 21, 2014 (UTC)

The citadel resides in a universe. Just because it is difficult to get to does not make it not a universe. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:49, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough, I accepted that the Type = "Universe" was appropriate after some discussion in the Chat. However, the fact the structure must exists in a universe of some sort doesn't help describe the Citadel itself. That's why I opted to stick with the more ambiguous term "realm" that had already been used on the page. I'm happy with the amendments and omission of the term "universe", but I can only state my case as to why I feel it's not useful. If someone adds it back, I'll get over it.

Universe is not a good way to talk about a place containing a single structure, the old wording on this page suggested that this entire universe was infact the Crystal Citadel (may be the case, but nothing in the show yet suggests that the Citadel is anything more than the prison structure). With a name like "The Citadel" central to the cosmos, I'd expected a little more to this place, which brough me here to the wiki in the first place (were I simply found old information and more confusion). Booko does state that in AT, all the separate cartoony dimensions displayed by the Enchiridion each contain universes. It's quite an assertion, but it seems to me like meaningless technobabble that should be glossed over rather than dwelling on it too much. Capt. Meat (talk) 12:20, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

The single room that Prismo resided in was its own universe, why can't a universe be inhabited by just a citadel as well? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 13:25, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not saying it can't be, but it's really confusing to think about that in terms of the real world universe. Prismo's room for instance has stuff going on outside it too, what is that? Another universe? Does it contain the Time Room or does it boarder on it?? How does light reflect from the edges of the time room into this space and how do people step into it? It's too much to worry about defining here. Someone reading a page here shouldn't have to understand such possibilities and made up concepts of how universes/dimensions work just to find out about a place apparently floating withing some pink gasses that may or may not be a distinct universe (there's no mention to universes in the show by the way, it could well come to be that it's not a universe at all, it could be suspended within a pimple on Finns butt for all we know). Capt. Meat (talk) 13:41, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Take the treehouse, it resides in a universe, sure there are things outside the treehouse that reside in the same universe but that doesn't mean that it isn't in a universe. The same can be said for Prismo's universe and the Citadel's universe.

The primary definition of a realm is a kingdom and so because of that I am against calling it a realm.

The definition of dimension is a property of space; extension in a given direction. In that sense the dimension you are talking about is basically the same thing as an alternate universe, the whole multiversal theory is only a relatively recent concept so terminology has yet to catch up yet but it is basically the same thing. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 14:42, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Yep, and the problem I'm trying to highlight is that referring to the Crystal Citadel as a Universe is just as confusing as referring to the regular universe as the Treehouse Universe just because it happens to contain Finn's Treehouse. The fact that the Citadel must exist in a Universe is obvious enough that it doesn't bare mentioning and ultimately irrelevant.

The article used to open with this statement, this certainly had to go...

The Crystal Citadel is a universe that has held the most dangerous criminals....

I agree that the term "realm" may be more appropriate for describing a kingdom, but this term was already in place on the page before I started editing and i personally thought it reads quite well. How do we know it's not a kingdom anyway? The name "citadel" suggests this is a fortress or stronghold of some kind within a wider kingdom of some sort. So "Citadel" is either a misnomer or it's the last remaining structure of a one thriving kingdom, since converted into a prison. Based on that, I hardly think the use of realm here is that big a deal. But you could change all references to Universe if it pleases you. Please, just don't directly refer to the Crystal Citadel as a Universe. That was my biggest issue with the way the term was used previously.

Capt. Meat (talk) 12:00, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Who calls the "regular" universe the treehouse universe?

We don't know it is a kingdom, thus we don't say it is. The article used to open like that, why not open it like, "The Crystal Citadel is in its own universe and has held the most dangerous criminals" instead? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:52, October 13, 2014 (UTC)