Talk: Candidates for deletion

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Slug People

• Keep — They're clearly a species in Ooo and played a notable role in the episode. At the same time, all the information on the Slug People page will just be a restatement of the appearance description of the two known Slug People that is already in the article.

I don't think that it's necessary to delete this page on account of keeping track of all species. All species articles are inherently going to be a bit redundant to their members in appearance, I don't see this as being different. It's not that interesting, sure, but many other species articles aren't, too. In short, Slug People are a notable species even if we've only seen two. We need to figure out what is species worthy and what is not, still. Flame Prince Finn 00:29, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

• Merge — We can merge this and snail people into a new species page to reduce redundant pages. Especially since there are only two people in this species listing. It can be titled 'Gastropod People' or 'Mollusk People' since that is what they technically are. This would also resolve the vote further up for snail people. Or simply just the species name so we can list everything that appears in the show instead of just people. True Sephiroth 22:44, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
• Merge — I suggested a molluscan article, that way both snail and slug are on the same page. Honestly, I am still weirded out that it should be deleted. Since this wiki seems to want to keep track of everything lol. -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 22:47, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I too found this curious.

I guess a Mollusk People article would be okay for brevity, but there are apparently ~85000 known mollusks and I imagine that snails and slugs are differentiated in real world species terms. I guess I don't know why we would merge when the two species distinguish themselves from one another? It seems similar to not distinguishing the Antelope and the deer to me. Flame Prince Finn 04:44, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

While there are ~85000 known mollusks on Earth in the year 2012 there are only two (three if you count sizing differences) known mollusks on Earth in the year ~3000 File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 13:00, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

All I'm saying is that the differentiation between Slug and Snail is pretty significant. If we're going to user real-world scientific terms I have some minor qualms with ignoring the rest of the real-world implications.

It seems that we distinguish some species the same or different arbitrarily: Hug Wolves were accepted as a species article even though they fall under the umbrella term "Wolf Men." I think this is a very similar issue. If this is voted to merge, then I'd like to reopen discussion for Hug Wolves for the sake of uniformity.

Flame Prince Finn 19:23, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

The word 'accepted' is used loosely in your statement.

Ages ago I grouped all the non-significant sentient animals into a species called Metazoan People, I am for this simpler Mollusk People if we have to have any species article for them at all.

File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 13:17, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I would agree that if this does get passed to merge we should also consider merging Hug-Wolves and Why Wolves in to Wolf Men... and honestly... I don't see why that wasn't done awhile back. True Sephiroth 06:54, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

I just don't see a clear point where we draw the line as to what should and should not be grouped together. I said "accepted" in the sense that the vote was passed to keep the article. Flame Prince Finn 11:33, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

True, it wasn't done because there was an admin who was very adamant about keeping the Hug-Wolf species article. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 13:08, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so we clearly don't have a distinct plan for how to merge these articles. This is in my opinion all the more reason to keep them separate, but I guess I'll leave that to you. Point being, we need to decide how to merge them if we're going to do it. And endvote should mean it is time to take action regarding the article, and apparently that isn't the case here.

So what do we do? Flame Prince Finn 23:32, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

What indeed. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:00, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

If nothing of substance is suggested after Thanksgiving, I am merging the articles and renaming them to Mollusks as I suggested, while leaving redirects. This article will be like the Birds article. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:37, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Lorraine

Merge — with Birds per Felinoel's suggestion.  EvergreenFir  18:09, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Merge — Merging is fine :D. Here is a pic if you don't merge it.

They broke out because you let them live.... 2:12, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Strong oppose — No way. She is not that minor at all. She played important roles in the episodes plot and had a lot of screentime. I am surprised something like this would be discussed... --Sky 18:18, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Then we need to beef up that article a lot. It's only a few lines now. Personally, I don't care if it stays or gets merged, but if it stays it needs lots of improvement imho.  EvergreenFir  18:24, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, for some reason to takes a while for some pages to contain as much info as needed. The Evil Monster had a case similar to this... --Sky 18:28, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Keep — She was a supporting character in an episode and had several lines. That alone should be enough to keep the page. Also, since it's now established that Finn & Jake have a chicken, I wouldn't be surprised if she makes a few cameos. I say let it sit for a while and revisit if the page remains as it is. Lailokentheyeti (talk) 18:34, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose —She may be dinosaur bones but we shouldn't bury her with the unimportant fossils.LuckyDay (talk) 19:22, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Merge — Article's info is too little, like the other Bird chars, this should be merged. She appeared only in one episode recently, I think she left the Tree Fort (xD) after she got off the barrel and the chances of her reappearances or even just cameos are not that high.

RGL Victor The Great 19:57, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Er, if you read what was said above, there would be no reason to say the info is "too little." If there is another reason why you said that, explain. --Sky 19:59, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

You should keep that on another post instead of one. Also, it does not matter if she only appeared in one episode, and may never appear again. Does this mean Gummy should not have his own page? Remember... Lorraine has lived in the Tree Fort for a while, so she could return later, anyway. --Sky 20:25, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — For the record it is the practice here to vote keep, delete, or merge. "Oppose" doesn't say your view on the article without context. At any rate, I agree this article doesn't need to be merged. The Birds page is meant for unnamed birds, I believe.
  Flame Prince Finn 07:05, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — People... not only she was an important supporting character, the exgirlfriend of BMO, and in the end the culprit of hiding the sock, as well as the antagonist of the episode, but more important than all that, i dont see the useless and pretty unimportant filler characters of Lieutenant Whiskers and Officer Meow getting kicked off of their own personal waste of space pages so why the hate againts that chicken did her evil ways strick too close to home? yes she was mean but hey that is part of her character. Doomroar (talk) 00:35, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — She was a part of the episode. Why would you even consider trying to remove this? Ferbot11 (talk) 18:57, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — She played a larger roll that Cat (Hug Wolf)... and was vital to the story and possibly to BMO's insanity lol. Keep it... there is no reason to delete or merge. True Sephiroth 19:24, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

• Merge — No she didn't, she played no role whatsoever, she could have been a chair and nothing would have changed. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:02, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean? Sure she was just a normal chicken, but there is still info about the fake relationship between her and BMO. What is wrong with that info? -- Sky 19:14, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I mean that she could have been a chair and she would be exactly the same. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:31, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I know that, but she was at least a living thing and had a lot of screentime. Even if she was a chair, why would that be a reason to delete it (in this case since a chair is not a bird)? I think of it as being the same as Hambo. Hambo is probably a random name Marceline gave to the toy, like how BMO named Lorraine. Marceline played make-believe with Hambo like the way BMO did with Lorraine. Am I wrong about anything? -- Sky 19:45, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hambo was Marceline's most favorite thing in the world that helped symbolize her tied past with the Ice King, Lorraine was a chair. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:32, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see how that proves anything. It only shows that wholesomeness of info is more important than a lot of useless info. Also, I don't understand why you are using that for the argument if we learned about this very recently and we have had the page since Memory of a Memory aired, or not that long after it. We didn't even see a lot about it, only Simon grabbing Hambo and giving it to Marceline. -- Sky 19:49, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Proof? You seem to misunderstand, I was showing the importance, not proof.

Because no one said it needed to be deleted until now? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:01, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Keep — I certainly disagree. Lorraine has an important role in the episode so I disagree. She's just like Hambo, a simple object that Marceline gave value with. BMO gave Lorraine value. Just like what Marceline did. But, it's just my opinion, it's okay if you disagree with me.

PrincessBubblegum 14:17, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

You don't know that BMO gave the same amount of value to Lorraine as Marceline did to Hambo, for all you know Lorraine was only played with like that once ever. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:32, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Arm creatures, Tongue, and Eye

Neutral — Hm... this seems to be a similar case to the Shadow Horse. I would say that we count them as objects instead, but they are not inanimate, which does not make them objects, but characters, instead. I do not remember when it was explained that they are extensions of the Ice King that Ricardio made, though. Ricardio said that his new body is made from the Ice King. --Sky 03:49, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps they should be considered aspects of whatever place they were in. All three are definitive aspects of certain rooms, so it would make some sense to treat them as "trials" of sorts, as we do with Joshua's dungeon.
Flame Prince Finn 04:01, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Merge — Technically they're all one thing. They're parts of the organic dungeon that Ricardio built in the Black Ice cave. I don't think it was ever specifically explained that they were parts of the Ice King (though he was hooked up to them via his chest-hole), but in the context of that place they are more like objects than creatures. There should be a single page for the cave/dungeon with these things included in it. Lailoken (Talk) 04:40, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

I do not think the dungeon was hooked up to Ice King, but either way, it was decided on chat that a page should be made for the cave and have all the character pages merged with it as subsections, kind of like what you said. --Sky 05:25, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Merge — seems to be the best option in my own opinion since they were part of the cave... but they could also be considered part of the ice king or Ricardio. True Sephiroth 22:09, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

• Merge — Hooked up to? These guys were the Ice King, they were grown from his body and Ricardio even said so. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:13, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

No matter how many times I watch the episode and how closely I listen, I can't seem to hear any quotes about the dungeon, besides when he asked Princess Bubblegum if she found the dungeon... "stimulating." What is the direct quote about the dungeon being made from Ice King? -- Sky 01:16, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Where he explains how he grew his limbs from the Ice King just like how he grew the dungeon from him. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:43, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Category:Art by JG Quintel, Art by Andy Ristaino, etc.

There are categories for art by JG Quintel, Andy Ristaino, David Smith, and Ian Jones-Quartey. Each of these categories only has 1 member. Someone merge them with Category: Art by Adventure Time Staff.67.209.253.199 17:51, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral — I don't really mind either way, but I want to point out that if (if) we start categorizing images, these categories could be used for that. Lailoken (Talk) 21:23, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

if we start categorizing images then these images should go under Art by Adventure Time Staff, instead of each image in its own category. Articles don't come one to a category, neither should images.67.209.253.199 21:48, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — I dunno, if we merged them all into one category we would have to mix them up with Nat, and Nat is the artist that people want to see. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 16:00, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Category:Nominated

Do we want this? Do we need this? I'm inclined to say no.--Cornprone 01:15, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

I think it will remind people to vote for featured articles, especially because it will be added to popular pages. There are usually only three nomination votes a month, so I think we do. Blaze, The Flame Prince 20:35, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

The above quotes were taken from here. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 16:04, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

• Delete — Keep — I agree with what Cornprone states on the category's talk page. I feel that this is unneeded and unwanted. Considering that 5 articles are nominated per month, this category will get large fairly quickly. Also, an article does not need any qualifications to become nominated, so a really bad article, for example, could be nominated as long as it's one of the first 5 nominated; This suggests that a nominated article is not necessarily anything special. this is basically a much more broad, low quality, highly populated version of the Featured category.
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I have retracted my argument. I was confused about what the category was for. I actually support this.

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I think I'm confused now too. What is the category for? Lailoken (Talk) 17:44, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

It's just for articles currently up for nomination, which can be read here. For some reason, I thought it was for every article that had been nominated before.

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• Delete — If the goal is to show people what articles/images/etc. are nominated, the Nominated template does that already by linking directly to the voting page. The Nominated category is just an unorganized list of pages from all 3 categories, which isn't very informative. Lailoken (Talk) 21:44, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — Yes it really is there to remind people to vote and to showcase the existence of Featureds. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 16:01, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Party With The Chief (and other songs/music/little diddies)

• Merge — This also goes for all background music; I think, rather than deleting the pages, they should be merged into a single page for background music. The music is created specifically for Adventure Time episodes, there are mp3s of some of the songs uploaded by the artists, and some of the songs do have extra info aside from just episode and scene. Lailoken (Talk) 01:51, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
• Neutral — Yeah I wish it was that easy, but it isn't. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:06, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

The discussions you linked seem to be on a slightly different subject. This isn't about minor songs (like 8 Glasses Song) it's about the instrumental music that was created specifically for the show to be played in the background of certain scenes. It's very easy to distinguish; recently, while going through all the music pages, I've added them to their own category here. Lailoken (Talk) 17:47, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I think that minor instrumentals with a few words and minor instrumentals would count as pretty much the same thing. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 17:29, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

On SpongeBob wiki they have one page for music or short 'diddies' that were in an episode. -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 16:15, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

How do they decide which is what though? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 16:42, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

You'll have to ask whoever runs the wiki or edits the pages. I am not a continuous contributor there but I have helped out with vandals and such.

List 1 / List 2 -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 00:19, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

kay. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:02, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

They apparently do it differently than you thought. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 20:52, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

After reading that, even I don't know what you're talking about.
All I gave an example that the Spongebob wiki places short songs on a list.
I never stated they do it better or know what they are doing, because I don't contribute there a lot. A list of short songs should be obvious. Jake singing 'big liver' vs 'lava man' for comparison. -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 21:08, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

They say they don't do that though? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 21:12, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Farmworld Finn

• Keep — Even though this is an "alternate form" of him, he's still a separate entity from the regular Finn (presumably), therefore, keep the pages separated for now. Additionally, we can't exactly say that that lady is the mother of regular Finn (I don't think). ——RootSword(wall) 07:11, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • Merge — Uhhh, I changed my mind. Merge with Finn or at least make a subpage.  Like RootSword(wall) 23:19, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
• Keep — KEEP IT! hes different184.79.32.251 14:25, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
• Merge — I think we should merge this page to Finn's original page. BOGEYMAN 07:36, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
• Merge — I think it should be in Finn's page.

I knew you'd come! I had a feeling ^Talk 15:39, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

• Merge — I think it should be in Finn's page, in "Disguises and alternate forms". 2000 - The futuristic sound of Balloon Music (talk) 07:54, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
• Merge — Yes it should definitely be in his alternate forms list, also it should be called Huckleberry Finn. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 13:05, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • Didn't realize the possibility of him being a different person. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 18:56, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
• Merge — Until more is revealed just redirect the page to Finn.
  And no to Huckleberry Finn... (=_= ) -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 15:51, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Psh no way, you know he is being Huckleberry Finn. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:06, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — I think we should keep it until we see how long this storyline goes. If they keep it up for a few episodes, probably best to keep it. If it ends next episode, then merge.
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• Keep — I don't think it's clear yet whether he is the same entity as the normal Finn or not. Lailoken (Talk) 02:39, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
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• Keep — We don't know if that is the same Finn from Ooo or a different entity altogether. We really don't have enough information to decide either way. I say we wait the two weeks for season five to start before we make any decision. Until then, we should keep the article. - Alchemical (talk) 03:52, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — Although AUF is a very minor character, we need to wait until we see what he does in Season 5 before we make any major decisions about the page. It just wouldn't be fair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex040401 (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~
• Keep — agreed with the last person up here Animaltamer7 (talk) 07:44, October 27, 2012 (UTC)Animaltamer7Animaltamer7 (talk) 07:44, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
• Keep — We need to keep this. He could end up being a totally different person than Finn PeppermintButler77 (talk) 02:15, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
• Keep — A.U. Finn is a different person than normal Finn. Unless he plays a very minor role in the episodes, we should have a separate article for him. For example, if he's only going to say five lines than we can merge him with normal Finn's article. But if he plays an actual part in the plot, have a separate page. Herkte (talk) 22:33, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
• Merge — They are both technically the same person. -- Sky 02:32, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
• Keep — They are different, no merge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fupo (talk • contribs)

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• Merge — He is just the same with Finn -- 03:44, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
• Keep — They are different enough to be able to have full pages on their own accord. 22:01, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
• Keep — They are the same, but different. _ᚱ RGL Victor The Great ^♫ 00:19, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
• Keep — We cannot rightfully say whether or not they are the same person or not until the next episode airs, so I say until we know for sure, the articles should be kept separate.--SentientBloodMist (talk) 01:26, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
• Keep — - In the episode they seemed like two different characters only with the same appearance. I may be wrong but I still think that the page should be kept.
• Keep — I think they are both different people we shouldnt merge until we are sure they are the same You are the sunshine that makes my day 23:41, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
• Keep — Wait until we know for sure it's not Finn. Until then, keep. -D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.55.18.164 (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~
• Keep — As seen in the episode, they're completely different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.128.150.67 (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Really? In the episode, it shows that they are the same person. -- Sky 02:23, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — The episodes Finn the Human and Jake the Dog have been leaked. I have seen them. Farmworld Finn is 100% different from regular Finn. Let's just say Finn actually has a name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.9.85 (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Did you pay attention to the episode at all? They were shown to be the same exact characters. -- Sky 18:44, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

How did you see it already? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:36, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

• Template:Vkeep he's not the same character and is from an entirely different universe, if you want to merge them then thats like merging finn and fionna wwho are alternate versions of finn and not the original

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Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 16:41, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — He may looks similar to and be voiced by the same actor as Finn the Human, but there are too many differences in his appearance, personality, and family (Farmworld) vs. friends (Ooo) to delete. Merge if you must, but they are quite different, unlike Ice King being the former Simon Petrikov (and still called "Simon" by those who know him). -- Glenn L (talk) 20:00, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

• Fionna and Cake are characters made up by the Ice King. Besides that, they are ascended characters by one of the AT staff.
  You guys are acting as if the content of the page will be deleted. It won't it will simply be copied and expanded onto Finn's page if merged. And besides his actions in the second half, there isn't much information that can be done to the page besides a basic outline -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 01:04, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

• Merge — They are the same person, just living in different timelines. I explain, and as my first argument, I shall say that when Ooo Finn wishes for the Lich to never have existed HE, himself, becomes the other Finn and goes to that universe. For the people that are saying that he's from an "entirely different universe": no, not at all. Both universes where exactly the same up until the point where the Great Mushroom Bomb goes off, and the Lich is born. That is the Finn we know, living in a world where the Lich never existed. Now, I know (and it's true) that we can't really say they're exactly the same; we obviously see a difference in appearance; all the differences we see between Ooo Finn and "Farmworld" Finn were caused by the consequences of the war, which is the ONLY major difference between war timeline Earth and no-war timeline Earth.

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• Keep —: This is the Finn of an alternate timeline; it may appear to be the Finn we know, but remember he was thrown there from his wish becoming this Finn. He doesn't realize he's the Finn of Ooo, since for all he knows he was born and forever the Finn of Farmworld. For all we know, Finn could have made a completely different wish and instead become Fionna: we would think it's our Finn, but he would have been born a girl and lived his entire life as one; the idea he was Finn would have never existed to him because he exists within the time of that alternate universe and not outside of time as we saw the two Jakes between the Ooo Jake of the Time Room and the Jake dog of Farmworld. Thus the moment Finn made the wish, he became a different Finn and Ooo's Finn never existed since to him Farmworld is his home. Our Finn didn't return until Ooo Jake was coaxed by Prismo to make the right wish. (however I would like all the Farmworld characters to be organized as such for all the alternate versions that exist, even though some like Simon were merely just tiny deviations from the timeline we know exists) -StrangerAtaru (talk) 13:21, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

The fact of the matter is this, Fionna is not Finn, Fionna is just a character in a book but if she were real she would live in an alternate universe. The Farmworld is not an alternate universe, the Farmworld is the same universe, but one that has had its past altered. The Farmworld does not exist anymore (well not unless you consider the possibility of multiple time streams existing at once but for ease I don't think we should consider that). The Finns are the same person, therefore they should at the very least have a short description here that links to the Farmworld Finn article. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 13:41, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Something has to be done about these alternate character pages. Either a whole article with a character listing, or splitting them up onto the pages the character is a part of. -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 22:14, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

That is a good idea too, it seems like that is needlessly filling up character pages, so you suggest making an Alternate Finns and Disguises page and moving all of that info there (with the Finn from the Farmworld timeline) and just link to that page on the main Finn article? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 18:26, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, we should give Farmworld characters their own pages and templates. Seems rather unnecessary to fill up the character pages with that info.

Let The Games Begin 00:41, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

• Merge — So if there was 100 alternate Finns, then we're gonna make 100 separate pages? No matter what, Finn IS Finn.--Tavisource 10:00, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

If you are referring to the directly above idea, then no, they are saying to just split the alternate Finns category from the Finn page and make it one article, so there would be two Finn articles, one that is just about Finn, and one that is just about all his alternate forms. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 14:14, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Granted I still like my idea, keep the articles as they are, and merge all of the Farmworld timeline characters with their respective articles except for the Finn one, just keep that one and link to it on the alternate Finns category on the Finn article. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 14:16, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

@felinoel's above question.
1. Making the Farmworld article with a section on the inhabitants.
2. Make a Farmworld inhabitants article and merge all the character page content there.
3. Make a general alternate character article, and just include all the Farmworld characters with a mention of Fionna and Cake. Though it would be hard to know if it is temporary or long term depending on how long the show goes on.
4. Make a spin-off of Finn's page that include his alternate appearances. Only if the Finn article appears too long or the alt section feels unneeded.

I think people just like the fact that there is an alternate Finn, but the thing is we don't know if this alternate will return. The information is just too short and you can take the trivia and use it as biography. For the Princesses that have yet to get episode focus, they are the exception when it comes to short pages. Theses are characters that exists within the Ooo time frame. -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 17:58, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

1. I dunno, that is a location article, having characters on it would be odd.
2. Possible... though it would end up cluttered and unusable imo...
3. Fionna isn't Finn, she is a storybook character based on Finn.
4. This is what I suggested above.

The alternate can't return, the timeline was changed back to how it was before it was changed in the first place. Though... we did see the unmutated, robot armed Finn in the Worm King episode so he may be returnable... maybe... File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:08, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Sky:

Are you sure? I never remember in the episode them openly announcing being the same or even acting the same. I also believe that Jake was barking (Which he never does as the 'Adventure Time' Jake.) I think that this pace should be kept, the alternate universe characters seem to be entirely different... excluding their appearance of course.

--Holyiron (talk) 22:32, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

You misunderstand, this was a timeline where magic has yet to become the norm, Jake was a regular dog because the magical dog species doesn't exist yet and both Finns acted the same imo.

They are both the same person. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:08, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

^ - They have too many differences imo, I don't think they're the same. The page should be kept. Holyiron (talk) 21:41, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — He was a major character in an episode, and there are definite distinctions that can be made with him and regular Finn. A full page for AUF will also allow for much more description as opposed to having to squish in a few sentences in the subsection "Disguises and alternate forms" on Finn's page (which is very large).
  

If it is agreed to keep it as a separate page, I think we could also put a simple redirect in the Alternate Universe Finn subheading, showing a link to the actual page with more info.
Waddle D33 ^Talk _Contribs ಠ_ಠ 02:12, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Keep! They are completely different. They have no shared memories or experiences - NONE!

Completely different? By that logic then Horse deserves his own article. All I am saying is to merge all but the Farmworld timeline's Finn article and just have a link to the Farmworld timeline's Finn article. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:34, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

• Keep — Agreed that he's still a separate entity, a different universe creates different conditions of existence, resulting in a different person, however similar the two may be. Also, we may not have seen the last of Alt Finn, meaning more info separating and/or linking the two may come up at some point, and it is good to have the character denoted separately just in case. 24.218.47.73 03:53, November 20, 2012 (UTC)PC

He is not a separate entity they are the same Finn. It is not a different universe it is the same universe with a different timeline. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 13:43, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hi guys. Well, felinoel asked me to add my opinion... but might not like what I have to say. I think the Farmworld characters are separate characters. This is not like a disguise. They have different histories and personalities. In the case of Choose Bruce, he even has a different name and species. So I think they should be separate articles. If Farmworld was only seen for 5 seconds, then I would probably not advocate separate articles. However, these Farmworld characters did a lot of stuff in the 2 episodes they were featured in. --Cornprone (talk) 00:04, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Engagement Ring Princess' crown

For this article, it really made an important role in actually activating the Enchiridion in "The Lich," alongside with the different jewels included. So without those gems we wouldn't have really finished that episode, so, it is best not to delete it. Sincerely yours,      PAUL  ★     It is not enough to succeed, others must fail.            13:34, April 19, 2024 (UTC) 13:22, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

• Merge —Jjw247 (talk) 21:55, November 2, 2012 (UTC)Jjw247

Either merge it into Crow Princess's article or create a general article about the gems, this way they can be one article. -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 00:38, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I say to make a whole page about gems Animaltamer7 (talk) 11:32, November 3, 2012 (UTC)User:Animaltamer7Animaltamer7 (talk) 11:32, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

• Merge — Put all the crowns/gems on one page. They all have the same significance. (Also, keep Ice King and Ice Queen's crowns separate from them.)  Like RootSword(wall) 19:44, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

In addition to that there is Protective jewelry to merge. And also it would remove LSP as it is not a gem. (or so we saw) -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 06:07, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

• Merge — What? It looked like a gem to me..? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:33, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

I say merge the info on the gems with the Enchiridion article and the info on the crowns with the protective jewelery article and on the protective jewelry article link to the Enchiridion article for more info. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:37, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Magic beans

• Merge — Merge with mystic pods.  Like RootSword(wall) 23:09, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
• Merge — -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 15:33, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
• Merge —
  Sincerely yours,      PAUL  ★     It is not enough to succeed, others must fail.           

13:34, April 19, 2024 (UTC) 11:47, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Pretty sure this was nominated to be merged a year or so ago. I guess the end result was to keep them as is.

What would you guys say the merged article would be called? File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 15:50, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

How about Mystic pods. lol You don't type about Rose seeds by titling a page Roses and Rose seeds. You place that within the Rose article.

Unless the pods are official called something else, there isn't much to do in alteration of the name. Unless you like "The mystical bean pods" -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 16:10, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Category:Concepts

• Delete — This category makes no sense whatsoever, there is no need to group a bunch of things together that are completely unrelated and call them all "concepts" or something. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 14:39, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
• Neutral — It was created to place articles that wouldn't really fit in the current categories provided. And it also cuts down on making more unneeded categories. If there can be another term used, or a suggestion on where to place the current articles then I guess it can be deleted. -- Bunai82 ^(talk) 22:18, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
• I'd be fine with getting rid of it, if you guys make sure that the pages currently in it are put in new categories that make more logical sense. --Cornprone (talk) 23:19, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
• Keep — BUT if every member of that category has at least one other category, I would support deleting it. I just don't want category-less pages which is my only reason for keeping it.
  

Waddle D33 ^Talk _Contribs ಠ_ಠ 02:20, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Created to put articles in that have no category..? If that is necessary then I guess it is fine... but rename it to Uncategorizable or something, not Concepts. File:Gotta Kill 'Em All!. ƒelinoel_ 19:35, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Farmworld characters

The section for Farmworld Finn is beyond cluttered, so I am starting a section for all the Farmworld characters to make things easier to read. I personally do not think these characters should have their own pages. It makes no sense in my opinion. Think about it, how much interesting information about them do we have? The only major difference in a character was Farmworld Simon and Farmworld Marceline, but all that information has been covered up on Farmworld. It would be repeating info. From what I know, one of the reasons why people want the pages to be separate is the fact that the characters look different and they have been major characters for two episodes. But why should they be separate if they are the same characters? They are the same characters by the way, before anyone says so otherwise. As much of a character as the Conductor was. Farmworld is an altered timeline, not a different universe entirely. Prismo said so himself somewhere at the beginning of Finn the Human, that his wishes change timelines. There are chances that Finn even retained his Farmworld memories, which might be why he was freaking out at the end of the episode.

Definitely Merge —. They should be listed in the disguises and alternate forms sections of each character. Another thing, think of the Farmworld characters looking exactly like the original timeline characters. Would you still want them to have separate pages if they did? Wouldn't that be odd unless they were separate characters? -- Sky 21:35, November 20, 2012 (UTC)