Talk:Mushroom War/Archive 1

season 4
I think that since Season 3 is already planned out and everything, they should make an episode about this in Season 4. They should tell what happened, who was the war against, all of the obvious stuff. There are a lot of questions that have been left unanswered.
 * felinoel ~  (Talk)  09:20, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Sad Idea
What if finn is really living in a post apocalyptic waste land and the land of Ooo we see is just a projection of a lost boy's imagination while trying to cope with the horrors of the apocalypse and the hints we see are fragments of reality The Eternal Adam 04:42, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * felinoel ~  (Talk)  05:54, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nobody cares. ````


 * lol you forgot to hold down shift. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  05:40, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * one of my best friends is doing a thesis paper on this idea (ps i agree with the whole speculative forum thing my brother posted this ) The Eternal Adam 00:13, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Why?
Has anyone ever read The Road, by Cormac McCarthy? The premise of a post-apocolyptic world is similar; however, the author never reveals the source of the calamity, the reason being that it needs no explanation. An explanation is neither crucial nor relevant to the enjoyment of the show, and for that reason, I hope it is never explained. The beautiful thing about this is that you're left to speculate and theorize and interpret till your heart's content.

That goes unsaid, if there was any place to speculate it would be talk forums at the wiki, or the blog but whatever.The Eternal Adam 15:51, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Actualy that movie in the begining he says somethin about shells exploding so it was most likely caused by a nuclear bomb strike but that isnet needed we dont have any idea how the mushroom war happened except for some undetonated nuclear missles

Apocalypse Gallery
Would anyone be opposed to gallery showing all the evidence of the post apocalyptic world? I just think some of the backgrounds to Mortal Recoil and stuff would be really informative.
 * I think that's a great idea. You know how the saying goes: a picture says more then a thousend words. The Master&#39;s Voice 19:19, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Frame from "Memory of a Memory" shown in gallery
Has anyone noticed the bent piece of metal leaning against a fallen tree/ overgrowth in the frame transitioning from Marceline's memory of her living room to the memory of a destroyed city-scape? I think this piece of metal MAY be a reference to the movie "The Iron Giant," in which one of the characters tries to lure the giant into a remote spot in the woods with a VERY similar looking piece of metal, in the same position, with the same bend. Just a thought to consider, first thing I thought when I saw it... Moopzoo 22:30, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Thing thing i find interesting
The thing i have always found interesting is that in the opening shot you see Arrows, Axes, and swords. MIDEVIL Weapons. Then there is the Nukes. How do those fit together?

Lenopow (talk) (Blog) 08:01, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Easily, the Land of Ooo is a continent on planet Earth after a nuclear war took out a chunk of the planet, this is set in the future of Earth but since it is a post-apocalyptic wasteland medieval type weapons are much easier to make with such limited resources and technology due to the whole giant war killing or mutating everything. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  09:34, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Oh my gosh...
Im so stupid not to realize these points earlier. I just thought Adventure Time was a funny, pointless show. But this makes it seem so much darker. Kinshi57 02:34, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea it is plenty dark, see here. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  17:53, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

The Mushroom War=Cold War
If you could see Simon Petrikov's Video, you will see a plane flying then Nuclear Winter Starts. Everything in the video is about Cold War Era. And most things Finn and Jake find are Cold War era. There might have been Total Nuclear War between the US and the USSR and the plane must've dropped a Nuke and caused Nuclear Winter. The Fallout then changed everything.Adriel3 09:02, January 29, 2012 (UTC)Adriel3
 * This would be considered speculation and better suited as a forum topic. -- Bunai82 (talk) 14:11, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Wow i never noticed the stuff everywhere, i mean, i did, but i didn't give it much thought since the chracters act like it's totaly normal. http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5026/9511327106020temp.gif 23:57, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

If this is true then explain the robot parts that can be seen every once in a while. The Mushroom War is clearly in the future.
 * A few nukes and suuch are not Cold War exclusive? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120226125159/adventuretimevideonetwork/images/6/6a/Abscraftyd.gif 16:25, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Shootingstarmilkshakebar 16:20, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

nuclear fallout
I don't think the creatures could have been created by nuclear waste since...they are magical...and nuclear waste is not...Nex Carnifex 03:13, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pen has stated that the nuclear radiation caused magic to exist. 04:38, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems as though magic already existed in some form before the war because isn't the Ice King's crown magic? And its magic helped him survive the war.  Perhaps the nuclear radiation enhanced existing magic or simply made it readily available. FearTheMedia (talk) 22:30, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me rephrase that, Pen has stated that the nuclear war had caused magic to exist again, like it unearthed the magic. 14:58, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Nuclear war or magic?
I don't like how everyone jumps to the conclusion that nukes are why it was called the "Mushroom War." Nucular warfare just doesn't explain enough for me. I'm sure Nukes and other various bombs were used during the previously mentioned war; although nukes would explain the grotesque Princess Princess Princess in "What is Life" It is still not enough. All of these intsruments of destruction are capable of wiping our civilizations. However, they are not capable of blowing a continent off the face of the earth. Now, I would like to bring attention to the fact that there is magic literally everywhere in the Land of Ooo, and I hope everyone would agree with me that radiation does not create magic nor does it bring inanimate objects to life. It only mutates and kills.The only explanation I could think of is magic returning to the modern world in the form of mushrooms. These mushrooms would be raw magic power granting life to the environment around it. These mushrooms either appeared in one centralized location or popped up all over the world. What ever the case may be us humans, being the power hungry beings we are, sprung at the chance of weilding their power for our own gain. There would be a great world war over the mushrooms that would initially begin with nukes, but as more magic returned to our planet the less need there was for bombs. We could more readliy harness the magic and use it against our enimes. The "Mushroom War" being about magic makes more sense than nukes unless they were magicly enhanced nukes which is an entirely different topic all together. I hope I broadened the war topic with my theory.

CircuitFist 01:14, April 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * We already know it was a nuclear war. There is not a being with that much of power.Afliador8 01:19, April 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep in mind that magic can do whatever the hell it wants because it's magic.


 * CircuitFist 01:22, April 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, radiation does create magic :P In all seriousness though, we don't know much of anything about the Mushroom War, so we can't assume that it was entirely nuclear. But...
 * -- [[File:Mew.gif]] Legendary  Dark   Knight [[File:Latias.gif]] 01:24, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...What are you talking about? It was obviously a nuclear war. Everything in Ooo was mutated, and some became magic users due to radiation. Using magic is a mutation in the show, basically. Plus, it is a TV show. It doesn't need to make perfect sense. Sky Monster 01:27, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pen has stated that there was a nuclear war and that the radiation from the nukes mutated everyone and most everything and also created magic. You can see the nuclear winter in that Holly Jolly episode, the crown told Simon it could protect him from it. There is really no discussion on this to be had since Pen directly stated this so no need to take it to the forums unless you want I guess. [[Image:Shinx.png|link=User:felinoel|User Page]]  ƒel inoel  [[Image:Scraft.gif|link=Special:Contributions/Felinoel|Contributions]] . 12:27, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Why not both?--67.224.248.125 13:02, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because the creator of the show said so. [[Image:Shinx.png|link=User:felinoel|User Page]]  ƒel inoel [[Image:Scraft.gif|link=Special:Contributions/Felinoel|Contributions]] . 13:42, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I guess it all makes sense. Normally people would just overlook this evidence but now that I read the article, it all fits together. There was definitely a nuclear war of some sort. Flambo the Epic Epic(20:09, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I can confirm that, at a panel I personally sat in on at WonderCon 2011 in San Francisco, Pendleton Ward answered someone's question by saying something along the lines of "Yeah, The Land of Ooo is just Earth after the bombs drop. That's why nobody has noses." I heard this with my own ears, and it absolutely blew my mind. --69.225.8.1 04:07, September 27, 2012 (UTC) TJCoolguy

I think it could easily be both, Ice King's crown was obviously magical before the war, and we saw him with the Enchiridian before the war, but there are also bombs everywhere, and it goes back to what the creators said. I just assumed they always had magic but it lost out to technology, then when so much of it was destroyed they were forced to take it up again. Or only certain people could use it originally, then the nuclear fallout altered some organisms, including them into that circle of eligible users. MagicalChez 22:07, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pen specifically stated that magic exists because of the irradiation and mutations.
 * The crown may have been magical before the war or the radiation may have even woken it up to quickly react and protect the wearer, but all of this is speculation. 17:06, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Timing of the mushroom war
The article brought up the fact that the M W could be in the future due to the presence of futuristic technology. Whilst this is a viable argument I would like to point out that during war time the advancement of technology will often increse dramaticly, such as with the advancement of air travle in WW1 and WW2. This could mean that the M W was infact the cold war, or just some other previouse war that turned nuclear. This theory is supported by the fact that the ice king, when human, was using vidio tapes rarther than a more up to date format. I may be reading to far into this but vhs was first developed in the 1970, during the cold war period. As a historian or university professor or whatever he was, he would surley have access to better technologys if he was from present day or the futer. Then again, it is a cartoon, so I doubt they botherd going in to so much detail about it. 86.180.29.97 19:42, May 19, 2012 (UTC)Turner
 * Nah, I think it is set in the future from not or at least now-ish. People still use VHSs and besides he wasn't in his right state of mind at the time. 15:40, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but look at the tanks in Marcilines first memory in "Memory of a memory". They look far more like the tanks from the cold war (like in Iron Giant) than modern day tanks. 86.140.44.201 19:35, May 24, 2012 (UTC)Turner
 * That is a memory, from like a thousand years ago, who knows how exact it was. 19:52, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * That is pure speculation, you have no evidence to suggest the memory is not exact!

86.140.44.201 19:17, May 26, 2012 (UTC)Turner


 * As is speculating that the memory is exact. 14:39, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Mushroom War is obviously Nuclear War
I was just glancing over this wiki page and talk section and I hadn't thought this needed to be said, as I thought it was incredibly obvious for anyone; but it seems that some people still think its not about nukes. Before it was confirmed (which I haven't notice a citation for, so I am just assuming) I thought this was obvious and unquestionable. I mean, Mushroom War...nukes form Mushroomclouds...figured this stuff was pretty clear. Should there just be a mention of this somehow worked into the wiki page just to make it that much clearer for those that I guess simply don't get it.... EarthBoundX5 (talk) 14:05, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * The word "nuclear" appears on this page 10 times. Does it need more? An absolute claim about the nature of the Mushroom War shouldn't be made without absolute proof, which has yet to be given. 20:47, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, I was unsure about absolute proof, as I've read people saying Pendleton Ward did give a statement on it; but I haven't seen a source. Regardless, I think its clear we can agree its pretty obvious in the relationships of the word usage. I was just thinking of using that simple analogy to strengthen the clarity of more "evidence" that it was most probably a nuclear war. EarthBoundX5 (talk) 23:29, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's obvious to me and many other people, I'm sure; However, it's also a work of fiction, so no matter how obvious speculative conclusions are, they are still speculative. Pen Ward could decide to write that the Mushroom War was actually a war where sapient mushrooms came to Earth and blew it up, just because he wanted to mess with people. 11:56, August 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * True and quite likely, hahaha! EarthBoundX5 (talk) 12:14, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I mentioned it in the section above, but yeah, I personally heard Pen Ward say that Ooo was "Earth after the bombs have dropped" at a panel. I'm not sure if this counts as "speculation" since technically no one but me and others who were at the panel can confirm it, but I heard it from his mouth. It is a "fact" (as much as one can be in a fictional universe).
 * 69.225.8.1 04:11, September 27, 2012 (UTC) TJCoolguy
 * Didn't that old faq website of Pen's where he comments that Finn is slightly mutated confirm this too? 17:01, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.buenothebear.com/faq.html
 * Found it, nevermind he only says it is post-apocalyptic. 17:02, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Found it, nevermind he only says it is post-apocalyptic. 17:02, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thermonuclear and hydrogen weapons
Nuclear is too old and too unstable to be used by the humans. They have already invented holographic newspapers and stuff like that. It's already the FUTURE. Every nation would be using thermonuclear and hydrogen weapons before the GMW even started.

The Russian 01:00, August 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Neutron, thermonuclear, hydrogen, etc. are all nuclear weapons. There's no need to list out different kinds of nuclear weapons. Especially since, as you point out, the war happens in our future, so weapons that haven't been invented yet could have been used. 01:09, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Besides, Ooo is post-apocalyptic, they use a multitude of varying types of tech. 14:25, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Timeline
There's some speculation in the timeline section that I feel shouldn't really be there. Doesn't speculation belong more in the forums? Olivivo (talk) 21:49, September 6, 2012 (UTC)Olivivo
 * You're right, but some of it isn't without evidence or logic. Maybe there should be a special page for the Timeline section with a speculation warning (like Marceline's origin). 23:45, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

My edit of the timeline section:

I feel there was a lot of repeated information and unneeded info there. It seemed to ramble and not reach a point. I summerized it to an actual point about a timeline. Party Pat (talk) 06:59, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Survivors
On the page it says that Hunson Abadeer, the Lich, and Billy are survivors from the war. Is there evidence proving that the three of them were even AROUND during the GMW? (Except while Hunson Abadeer was alive during it, how do we know that he was even a victim of it?) Olivivo (talk) 20:08, October 9, 2012 (UTC)Olivivo
 * Delete it, it is speculation, and idk why Billy is listed, he is a Frost Giant. 20:14, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

More Intro Details
I see where the nuclear bombs in the intro are mentioned, but has anyone else noticed the ruined highway around Marceline? FearTheMedia (talk) 11:06, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure someone has. 18:35, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it may be worth a mention then. Even though it's likely the same highway seen in "Heat Signature" FearTheMedia (talk) 22:12, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why? 14:59, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Susan Strong and Human theory
Susan Strong?

Isn't Susan Strong a human too? That means she did survive the Mushroom War. My theory is that others are hiding, in the underground tunnels of Ooo tha no one has discovered before.

76.21.61.158 01:22, October 23, 2012 (UTC)Pandaaa <3
 * The Mushroom War happened (roughly) 1000 years prior to the events of the show. Some humans have to have survived since Finn exists (barring some huge plot-twist about Finn's origin); the question is whether or not he's the last one. Susan's membership in the human race is still unconfirmed. 01:51, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * The reason for the purest of humans to be much of a rarity is mostly due to the people hunting them down as a delicacy. One or two stragglers who are fairly purely human are to be expected. 15:00, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Chunk of Planet Missing
So, with the newest episodes being released, I have started to think more about the hole in the planet and how it related to the Lich. Hasn't it been established that the Lich's bomb hit what is now his well of power? If that is the case, than the hole in the planet couldn't have been caused by the Lich because we visit this location and it is obviously NOT located in the hole in the planet. I think this might lend more credibility to the image Simon/Ice King has of the meteor striking the earth, they are two seperate events. 198.151.8.4 20:33, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * The only thing that has been established was that the chunk of the planet missing was caused by the Great Mushroom War and that the Great Mushroom War woke up latent magic within the planet from its radiation. 20:35, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Laser Gun
I guess Marceline's Laser Gun shown in Finn The Human is worth mentioning, since it seems to be MW artifact.

BTW That "skyscraper" in Heat Signature is actually some kind medieval-like castle/tower. It's made of bricks and has embrasures instead of windows. Not sure if has any importance, but it's a good example of strange technology mix in AT's human cvivilization. Mushroom time (talk) 18:31, November 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * How are you sure it is a Great Mushroom War artifact? 20:36, November 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure about that, but I don't see any other possible source of it. The planet was frozen for 400 years and 600 years after that society still seems to be rebuilding. Mushroom time (talk) 04:55, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yet we have crazy geniuses like Bonni walking around who has been shown using a laser, a laser she probably made herself. 13:51, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I suppose there is a difference between a ruler of a kingdom, which exists for unknown amount of time(less than 1000 years of course), and a recluse in a cave. Besides this weapon wasn't working as it supposed to, probably indicating that it's very old. Mushroom time (talk) 15:48, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Or it was poorly made or poorly kept. 18:27, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Bomb Location
The location where the bomb hit could be North America, because everyone there can speak english and have some familiar landscapes. FinnNJake (talk) 02:15, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Too speculative. North America is not the only place in the world with English speakers. 05:37, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Additionally, "everyone there can speak english" because the program is recorded in English. When it gets dubbed for broadcast in non-English-speaking regions, they all speak the dubbed language. -- Glenn L (talk) 06:12, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * That is true, Adventure Time is an American show. FinnNJake (talk) 00:13, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Adventure Time's Backstory
What I have gatherd from the Mushroom War and the series has led me to belive this. 1000 years previous from the events of the show, the Cold War turned Nuclear. Ether the US or the Soviet Union found some peice of Evil Magic (magic allready exists as is evident in the Ice Crown) and they constructed it into a bomb. They droped the bomb on the opposite side and it released the Lich opon the world. This caused a enormas Chunk to be blown out of Planet Earth (creating the Land of Ooo) as well as extinction of the human race exeapt for Simon Petrikov (protected by the Ice Crown) and Marceline (protected by being a Half-Demon). Simon has allready obtaind the crown and partially transformed into the Ice King, after purchasing the crown in Northern Scansinavia as well as obtaining The Enchiridion soon before. He meets Marceline and gives her Hambo the Teddy Bear (later sold to a witch by Ash). The two become freinds and set out to survive together. Simon sences that he can no longer resist the crown's influence, and leaves Marceline. He then losses all of his sanity to the crown and fully becoms the Ice King. The Lich later is subdude by The Great Billy and imprisoned. that is my interpretation of the backstory of Adventure Time. The only flaws that I can see are Hunson Abbadeer and the fact that Finn is a human and humans went extinct. If I could get some input on this interpratation that would be great, cause feel like I missed some things. Thanks! Darkusdude 327 (talk) 07:53, January 12, 2013 (UTC) 14:38, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hunson Aberdeer

It says in your article that only the Ice King and Marceline survived the Mushroom War. It stands to reason Hunson Aberdeer also must have survived the war if he's older than Marcy and alive at present day.
 * But you would also have to prove that Hunson was on Earth at the time of the Mushroom War in the first place. 02:26, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thats true. Mabey Abberdeer went retreated to the Nightospeare once the war started and abandond Marceline. That would fit with Abberdeer's Chaotic Evil thing, right?Darkusdude 327 (talk) 08:00, January 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Or what seems more likely to me, the Great Mushroom War ripped a hole to the Nightosphere and Marceline ended up going through that hole to Earth. 16:33, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

The Chunk
I noticed the huge chunk taken out of the world. I have no idea what became of the fragments from that chunk. I'm just thankful this world doesn't have any chunks taken out of it as of yet, and I hope that never happens.ZanyDragon (talk) 05:06, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...k..? o.O 15:43, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Introduced in?
Is there any evidence to support that the Mushroom War was introduced in the animated short? Tuliniskat (talk) 23:25, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * It is like ten minutes long, can't you check it yourself? ?.? 13:34, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no mushroom war references. Changed it to Slumber Party Panic as it was aired first. Tuliniskat (talk) 02:29, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * The reason why it is in a post-apocalptic war may be because of somethign that happens in the series "Bravest Warriors" on youtube. It is made by the same people who made "Adventure Time" and they have said that the two shows are connected. "Bravest Warriors" seems to be more futuristic so some kind of war may have happened between the time of "Bravest Warriors" and "Adventure Time". Also in the episode of Bravest Warriors that is named Ultra Wankershim there is one frame at 3:53 that has a picture of the world "Adventure Time" is set in. The link to the video is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jidZCvGHdBM. 17:14, February 24, 2013 (UTC)68.82.151.62
 * 14:30, February 25, 2013 (UTC)