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Where, When, Why and How
Where:

Earth. Now known as "The Land of Ooo".

When:
The Great Mushroom War happened about 1000 years prior to the show (Finn & Jake's normal timeline), as proven time after time in the series. Due to background images, it can be inferred that the Mushroom War either happened in our generation or the one after it. Also, in Finn The Human, it was said that the "Bomb of Death" was supposed to have dropped 1000 years ago, supposedly ending the war and life itself. The numbers at the back of the Enchridion are 8, 13, 21 (August 13 2021) this was the date the giant crater formed in the earths surface.

How:
The War most likely started from circumstances akin to World War I or II, or perhaps tensions arising from worldwide environmental or economic stress.The War ended when the Mushroom Bomb was dropped, which destroyed all life and created the Lich.It is unknown who dropped the bomb, though this may or may not be revealed later in the show. As already known, Simon and Marcy may be the only survivors of the War, but this may not be true because Finn is a full human (and possibly Susan Strong (character) is too). A small number of humans may have survived, and eventually become extinct by being eaten or killed by mutants (as said to be delicious in Her Parents) or being immediately destroyed by the Lich.

And the mutants? They were probably created from magic from the other dimensions (as stated by Pendleton Ward) and from the nuclear waste of the War.

The one thing that can't be explained is why most people in Ooo (both before and after the War) have four fingers. Perhaps the mutants have only four due to radiation, but Simon also had four fingers and said nothing about it in his documentary (and Betty was seen with four as well). This may mean that radiation made them cut off one of their fingers or it was a strange radiation problem even before the War's end. It could also simply be a stylistic art choice.

A personal theory of mine is that the slime monsters seen in Simon and Marcy are the mutated humans, in a situation similar to that of the Chernobyl incident, where humans mutated. I think that the pink creatures are the beginning of Candy People and the candy kingdom. Because of the state of the humans and the fact that Simon and Marceline can breathe the air suggests that Simon and Marcy is set several years after the war, if it was a nuclear war.

A New Idea Presented By Scooterz42 (See www.LostCraftia.enjin.com  ) Is that Simon (Ice King) Getting the Crown Lead To Stress because of Accident in the Before War Government which leads to a Crazy person (Perhaps even Ice King himself) Causing the "Great Glob War" which eventually lead to the Mushroom Bomb (Nuke) Causing the new World some time later (999 Years, *As Said In Simon And Marcy*) To Be With Ice King and Marcaline.

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Update
OH MY GLOB! I finally figured out how many years ago The Great Mushroom War happened! Ok, so The Ice King is 600 years old, right? Well, he seems to be about 28 in the Simon P. video, and it's pretty obvious that that video was probably taken a few MONTHS before the G.M.W. So, give or take a few, the GMW probably took place about 572 years before our present AT universe. Oh! But you guys who think youre such experts are thinking "Ooo, what about Marceline? Waa, Waa! Shes a thousand!" Well, then your an idiot. Her dads a demon. He's also deathless. You guys thought she was a little girl just because, A. She looks like one, and B. She didn't have bite marks. Well NewsFlash! Demons can shape shift to look like a kid, and her dad probably gave her immortality cause, well, she's his daughter. So that means nothing! Ha! Ace Attorney! I rest my case. Or do I? --Blugo34 (talk) 06:30, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this theory is incorrect because in Simon and Marcy he is 47 and Marceline is 7. 996 years later she is 1003 years old, meaning she was exactly 1000 years old when we first meet her in the first season. This means that the Ice King is 1043 years old when they are playing basketball in Simon and Marcy. Thank You, Thank you, I'm here all week. -OmNomMole, High Lord of Adventure Time.

March 31st, 2013

The Human and Geographical Changes
If there was a nuclear war, a lot would change. Continents would shift, plants would grow abnormally(Due to the toxic pollutan), and humans would have to mutant to survive.(AKA:Mutate or Bust!)

Origin of the Ice kingdom
In the episode Holly Jolly Secrets II, it shows Simon Petrikov showing that his skin is blue, and if you look in the background it shows the town is being covered in snow after the plane flys bye. So if after the war he went to an area and it got covered in snow. so that explains that.

Origin of the Candy People
It is entirely possible that the Candy People are mutated people. They could have been hiding out in a candy store or something and the nuclear junk in the air stuck the candy to their faces and that eventually it turned them into animate pieces of candy. Also in the new episode of "Simon and Marcy" slime like creatures were seen. One of the slime creatures was the colour pink most likely to be bubblegum, thus this sighting could be evidence that the candy people could have been created by the mushroom bomb.

Origin of the Hyoomens
The Hyoomens where just regular people who decided to escape from the nuclear fallout in a military bunker. The bunker flooded and each generation of the people had to be a little more fishlike until they where compatible with their suckish conditon.

How the Penguins (Gunther) survived
Most people consider Penguins prissy and weak, but, even though technically the Penguins haven't mutated, I believe they have trained their minds throughout the War and are now evil geniuses, just as Marceline's dad said. The only reason they are still working for Ice King is that they either are waiting for the right moment to overthrow him from his ruling, or they feel bad for him and want to make sure he keeps (what is remaining of) his sanity. have you seen riegn of the gunters in it gunter uses the witching eye and practically destroys everyhing not so cute and prissy anymore!

Origin of the Fire Kingdom
Some of the natural diasters were volcanoes appearing from gaps in the ground left by earthquakes (ironic) and erupting. The Fire Palace seems to be a hollowed out volcano, the surrounding areas could be filled with underground Giesers, which are really small volcanoes.

Origin of Lumpy Space
The nuclear radiation from the nuclear bombs detonated during The Mushroom War found it's way to space where it came into contact with stardust. The nuclear radiation in space would irradiate stardust into what is Lumpy Space and excess stardust would become the living, breathing sentient beings we now call The Lumpy Space People or maybe the other way around.

Origin of the Lumpers
The Lumpy Space People are made of irradiated stardust (As said by Pendleton Ward). Irradiated means to have been exposed to radiaton, which totally makes sense.

'''Nightosphere? You ask? Easy,it's Hell.'''

Comments
If you have any suggestions comments, or questions, write them here67.142.178.25 00:09, February 24, 2012 (UTC)Thejiggler555

It is assumed (by some) that Ooo is North America.
 * I'll disagree, because based on the episode "Holly Jolly Secrets", it shows the drastically changing weather happenings as the Simon Petrikov progresses to become the Ice King. And at the time, Simon was located in Europe. I will, however, agree to a weapon war as a theory.

Most fans have noticed that all of the mutants(Hyoomans) are wearing animal hats.
 * lol, the fashion idea is a new one. Though a little out there.
 * If you remember the Mortal Folly, you see skeletons dressed in rather modern (as in our universe) clothing, nothing over the top. The Hyoomen's currently don't have enough backstory to really make anything of them. All we know, is that they are considered fish people who like to wear mammalian hats.

How the Penguins (Gunther) survived / Origin of...
 * Interesting lol. Animal wise, it is noticeable how numerous penguins are in the Land of Ooo, but they are still not seen being in all areas. It seems our version of modern animals have become smaller versions of themselves, while other 'fantastical' creatures of took their place.


 * For the lumpy people, they seem to be different from Cloud People, who are quite literally their namesake. As for the fire and ice kingdoms, I don't give much thought too, but I like your theories on them. I am stumped on the Candy People... their existence is so out-of-scope, that even the Lumpy people make more sense lol. I keep thinking that someone created them, not that they evolved. -- Bunai82 (talk) 14:02, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

What about the Nightosphere..

Fire Kingdom could be Yellowstone national park. There is a super volcano their that would be the perfect place for the fire kingdom palace. It it widely theorized that a nuclear blast could be enough to set off this super volcano. 24.10.132.19515:50, May 27, 2012 (UTC) Oh My GLOB! You are so right! Oh, it's me, the person that created this, I'm just on my new computer. As for the Nightosphere, easy, it's Hell (ahem, excuse me) Oh, and the thing about the hats wouldn't be plausible, I just realized that. The GMW happened hundreds of years ago, I dought the fibers in the hats would last that long. Awww, I really thought my fashion theory was cool. 69.46.209.135 23:37, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and about the fashion trend, yeah, I'm kind of weird, so it's no surprise that I wear animal hats and the zombies didn't. My next splurge at the mall: A white unicorn hat! And, naturally, I've been saving up for an AT Tee. (I love saying, er, spelling that)But gosh dang, they're frickin expensive! 69.46.209.135 23:45, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

On the Update about when the GMW was: It's actually been stated that the Ice King is around 1000 years old as well, and been implied tons of times that that was how long ago the war was. 17:01, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

It seems like we can set a certain timeframe for at least the start, if not the entirety of the Great Mushroom War using the technology set forth in the show. Given that in "Holly Jolly Secrets", the Ice King (née Simon Petrikov) records his diary entries on VHS tapes, an absolute lower limit for the war can be established at 1976 with the invention of VHS tape. Similarly, we can speculate on the upper limit via technology. All other things being equal, the DVD-R format would be invented in 1997 and would come into its own as recording media sometime in the mid-2000s. Based on the progression of the crown's control over Petrikov, the Mushroom War can be assumed to take place sometime in a twenty year window between 1990 and 2010. My personal theory is for the early nineties, possibly as a desperation move by the Soviet Union. 65.35.157.137 07:06, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Although we do know for sure the war must be after the invention of VHS which is a very good point, we have no idea just how much longer it may have been. All we know is that Simmon made those tapes before the war began. (Judging from the fact that the world seems intact in the videos and news paper clippings.) It could be anywhere from a day to centuries later that the war starts given the nature of the crown and the longevity it affords the wearer. Melting Sky (talk) 22:43, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

We really can't assume anything on shown technologies, since they are all messed up. Yes, Simon used VHS, but remember how it was watched. On hologram. BMO has holographic interface AND he is VHS compatible, not really common mix, since we haven't even invented first part. There is also that farmworld Marceline's laser rifle (it's origin is unclear though). Besides USSR didn't have any Lich bombs when I checked it last time. Mushroom time (talk) 18:57, November 26, 2012 (UTC)



Remember the penny from "King of Mars"? It had the year 20xx on it which knocks out the 90's because it's saying that modern technology was around for atleast some of the 21st century. It looks to me like it's 204x. Why would we be making pennies if we're all struggling to survive in the radiation that's killing off almost the entire world's population? Vamp0gurrl (talk) 18:04, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Candy People
It seems to be implied that Princess Bubblegum created a large percentage of the population. She's motherly to her people and was shown in three episodes making candy people, even mentioning in Goliad how she used the "standard" ingredients for a candy person to make her. There have obviously been others before her, according to her story about her uncle, though that really doesn't explain how she's only 18 and ruling the whole kingdom, no parents in sight or mentioned. --DARK 03:40, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

But Bubblegum could be hundreds of years old, remember in "Too Young" they didn't have enough gum to make her 18 again? Maybe she's physically 18 but centuries old mentally. What I'm saying is that the age of a candy person seems to depend on how much material they have. Maybe the old candy people can be described as going bad? 109.67.190.87 19:06, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hey I've been seeing all this mushroom war thing but why is it called mushroom war if the bomb looked like a mushroom all people here search watch and do any thing to figure out why is mushroom war called Thant but anyways it's a bomb how did Finn lose is arm dunno so leave comments and theory's the then I will try to piece it together

Why?
Hey I've been seeing all this mushroom war thing but why is it called mushroom war if the bomb looked like a mushroom all people here search watch and do any thing to figure out why is mushroom war called Thant but anyways it's a bomb. i think that in the episode "Finn the Human" the man that had lost his arm was finn's brother, and the baby was finn.

Right know it is unown how farmland finn and finn today connect. In the introduction of the show the first scence is footage of a setting almost like a battle zone. If you look closley at the begining of the theme song, a hand is seen as this hand could possibly be farm land finn's hand.

Candy people update
In the episode "Simon and Marcy" ,(at the time of this post, the episode "SImon and Marcy has not yet aired) it follows the story of the ice king while he was still Simon aged at 47, and marceline at age 7. (996 years prior to current adventure time timeline). During the episode it shows giant tufts of gum stretched on trees, highways, etc. at the end of the episode, Simon finds a can of soup attatched to a wad of gum. Simon looks at the gum to see a set of eyes and a mouth. This makes it reasonable to assume that princess bubblegum, or at least the first candy persons are at least 996 years old.

THANKS FOR RUINING THAT FOR ME Azikiwe17 (talk) 22:32, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

In my own stories, is that they had a war with either another country or another planet. As there were seen alien ships and UFO pictures in some episodes. I'll tell my own story of how the  land of Ooo formed.

It all started with Simon buying the crown from an old dock worker. Magic already existed in the world that time, it was just not that plentiful. now Ice king's crown was one of the erliest and most powerful source's of magic that time. And he shows the crown to his fiance Betty and eventually turns ito the Ice King. now that was one of the characters in the series formed. Now before all that, Ice King was still'' Human. ''

   In the episode I remember you, Marcy shows Simon an old picture of himself in the newspaper that shows him holding the Enchiridion. Which I think might have awekend the lich. Who I think was a former king in the medival ages. And was just so consumed by the magic he has, and began to turn into a transformation (just like Ice King). Now the lich awekens and maybe sends his army of evil or something to take back the Enchiridion. So the lich broght war to the Humans. The people must have been desperate that they sent the bombs to  destroy the lich and spare many more lives. Though they made a mistake, for now there are very little population of Humans. And the Enchiridion was lost. Simon survived the war, the way Finn saved he and his family from the bomb in the episode Finn The Human. So due to his powers he was able to protect himself. After the bomb fell it took away a great peice of the Earth. As Simon was still intelligent, he knew the radiation would be kicking in so he needed to leave in order to survive. and through his jeorney he discovers little Marcy.

Now this is going to be the story of Marceline. She was just a young girl living with her mother. As Hunson was in the Nightospere. When the bomb fell, Marcelines mother did great lenghts to save her daughter but at the cost of her own. So Marceline was lost and her mother turned to dust. So Simon comes and becomes her guardian. Then just add the story of Simon And Marcy the episode then Ice king fully transforms. he writes the letters in the end as he can feel himself getting deeper into the crown and losing his sanity. He was suppose to send those letters but forgot due to the effects of the crown. and Marcy was left alone again.~

My Theory
The Ice King: It all started when Simon Petrecove bought a crown from a salesmen. Nobody wanted this crown because it was "apparently" cursed. Simon bought the crown and took it home( as he was an archeologist) to show his fiancé and jokingly put it on that when Simon acted crazy and insane causing Betty(his fiancé) to leave him. The crown started somehow communicating with Simon with whispering, the crown shares secrets with him about the snow and told him the power of the snow would save him. He yet did not know what this warning conceded but as we found out the down was relating to the Mushroom War.

Finn The Human(episode): This episode is about how Finn wished that the Linch never existed causing him to go to this farmland world. In this episode the Linch DIDN'T exist causing Simon to stop the bomb. When Finn Investigates a hole in the ground he finds the squished ice king underneath the Bomb that would or killed the humans and an old version of Marceline. What most people get confused that this episode was set in the past but was clearly set in the future on what would of happened if the bomb didn't go off. The Linch made the bomb go off.

Susan Strong: When Susan strong asks for Finns help she takes him on a journey to this place called Beautopia. Some people get this confused but when Susan Strong talks to the fish people she says "Fellow humans" here she does not think the are humans but is told they are humans by Finn as in the actual episode "Susan Strong." Later on in the episode Finn finds out that Susan is a human.

Why is Finn alive when he couldn't Have survived the war and it happen almost 1000years ago: Finn is 14years old and couldn't possibly have survived the war personaly but in the episode "Beautopia" one of the monsters in the pool toys was chewing a human like skull. All the skulls could be either Fish People of humans as Susan Strong used to live there. If the skulls were humans this could have been the civilistation Finn himself came from but had somehow ascaped the monsters as a baby, proving that human life did survive the war.

By Dana Hampton

Theories About the Great Mushroom War and Susan Strong/Finn/Fionna/Cake/Prince Gumball/Princess Bubblegum/Betty
Okay, first of all, the Lich did not cause the Mushroom Bomb to go off. The Lich and his well of power were both created by the Mushroom Bomb. The Great Mushroom War was not caused by the Lich, it was a massive nuclear war, as we all know, which blossomed between several different countries on Earth, making it a hypothetical World War III, or which erupted between Earth and another planet(s). This is actually extremely likely because of the huge force-of-impact requisite which would be required to blow such a large chunk of the Earth down to its core.

Also, as a side note, the reason why the ocean has not filled the space of the great crater is simple: The force of the impact that caused the hole pushed the also-impacted land around it upward, a sort of demonstration of Newton's Law (for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction), effectively creating huge mountains all around the crater which were high enough that the ocean couldn't surpass them in order to fill up the gaping chasm in the Earth. If this seems at all unlikely to anyone, simply remember the Moon.

Anyway, here's my analysis: Simon Petrikov first found the Enchiridion before the Great Mushroom War, so it existed before the war began, just thought I'd mention. Then, Simon bought an "enchanted crown" from a dock worker in northern Scandanavia, and, afterward, went home to his fiance, Betty, whom he called his Princess. He put the crown on his head to amuse her... etc., etc. If you saw the Holly Jolly Secrets videos you know the rest.

In Simon and Marcy, the Enchiridion was lost when Simon Petrikov lost his belongings to the mutants.

Anyway, the Great Mushroom War then happened, and a colony of humans receded into an underground bunker (Beautopia), but the bunker eventually becaume flooded, and the people there eventually mutated into half-fish-half-human hybrids in order to survive in their moistened enviornment.

Fionna actually existed in real life before the current setting of the Adventure Time series. She and Cake discovered Beautopia, and Fionna fell in love with one of the Hyoomans. The two "had relations" and the result was Susan Strong.

Now comes the scientific genetic talk: If you've studied genetics, you know that most mutations are represented by (if that is the right word) recessive alleles. So, the fish gene would have been recessive, meaning that if one of Susan Strong's two parents had possesed the dominant non-mutation gene, then Susan would be human without an aqua-alignment. Later, Fionna and her Hyooman partner had Finn, making Finn Susan's brother and the only other non-mutated human. This makes sense, because in Susan Strong, Susan was less afraid of Finn than all of the other Hyoomans were. Also, Susan is obviously too old to be Finn's twin sister, but too young to be his mother,so it is logical to assume that she is his older sister, especially because she bears resemblance to both Finn and Fionna (long blonde hair). But, if either Finn or Fionna had children, 1/4 of their children (approximately) would be fish mutated (genetics. Check out Mendel and his peas)

Then, somehow, nuclear fallout reached Beautopia, creating the Lubglubs, which killed Fionna and Cake, but Susan and some other Hyoomans escaped on a boat. Susan took Cake with her. Cake's fur had turned dark gray in death and Susan made her into a hat, so that she could always keep her aunt Cake with her, sparking the animal-hatted fashion movement. She made a bear hat for her baby brother, Finn. Only "buff, baby Finn" was curious and buff enough to crawl out of the latch and all the way to the infamous Boom-Boom mountain, and you know what happens from there.

Prince Gumball spotted a baby in the woods on the night when Baby Finn escaped, so he chopped down all the trees, trying to find the baby, but with no luck. Also, PB probably assumes that Prince Gumball is her great uncle because she doesn't believe herself to have parents, but knows that PG is related to her, somehow. PG probably was formed by some other human that mutated with bubblegum (if it happened once, it can happen again,right?), but matured into his/its new form earlier than PB.

Nuclear fallout from the GMW mutated sentience into inanimate objects (a little more far-fetched than my other theories, but, myeh) and food, creating the Candy Kindom, the Nuts, and all of the scientific things at PB's science barbecue, BMO, etc.

Also, the Great Mushroom Bomb was not responsible for the crater, because, if it was, then the Lich's well of power would be in the crater, which it isn't. This makes the possibility of an interplanetary Great Mushroom War even more likely, because, if the biggest, most decimatory bomb accessible didn't cause that kind of damage, then something extraterrestrial (otherworldy) had to.

Furthermore, I believe that the bubblegum seen in Simon and Marcy was actually Betty who had chemically combined with bubblegum to create Princess Bubblegum. This makes sense because the bubblegum was helping Simon and Marcy, and I think that Betty would have helped them after she forgave Simon for whatever he said (she probably forgave him after seeing him try to help Marceline). This would explain why Princess Bubblegum is so much like Betty and why she is Ice Kings favorite princess. And as for why Princess Bubblegum doesn't love Ice King: either she doesn't remember him either, or she is disgusted that he kidnaps other princesses and tries to force them into marriage. Maybe both.

96.242.136.21 20:45, April 14, 2013 (UTC) Dream Dancer Princess

I think that finns lost arm will happen sometime when he's sometime around 20.His lost arm was shown in both "Puhoy" and another episode.It looks like he's older than 13 in Farmland.


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Yes TheCreper (talk) 16:41, May 3, 2013 (UTC)