User blog comment:Adventuretimegurl123/EVEN BIGGER AT NEWS!!!!/@comment-204.145.106.227-20120822204614/@comment-5242921-20120823003440

I never ever said PB was flawless. The things PB haters were arguing with WERE out-of-character things.

PB in "Too young" was out-of-character and I'm not taking that back.

PB was also quite out-of-character in "Wizard Battle".

Jesse and Tom's episodes aren't the ones we are talking about here so there is nothing I'm about to say that will contradict my earlier opinions.

She was not out-of-character in Season 4 at all. I tuned into Adventure Time just before "Goliad" aired and all the episodes that have been airing since I started watching have been containing those anti-cliche anti-sues things that make me love PB as a character and make every other sod hate her.

I always argue for what I see as the side that needs arguing for. It is a bit strange for me to be pointing out PB's flaws since I've been fighting against them for so long but there are some character flaws that really intrigue me, and if I'm to understand a character fully I must acknowledge their flaws as well as their strengths, work out which flaws are a matter of misinterpretation, and then work with the core facts of the character itself.

YES, she is the smartest known person in Ooo. She always was. She's a keen scientist, but also a REALISTIC scientist. A mad scientist in a way. This isn't a Mary Sues trait, it's an ANTI-CLICHE trait. A Mary Sues will not actually do anything particularly smart, they'll just be too good at maths or some shit and then do nothing with that knowledge, but PB can reanimate the dead... and unlike a Mary Sues, PB has actually made huge scientific mistakes with this knowledge. To remind us she's only hu- I mean, a person. And she does some more morally ambiguous or controversial things sometimes, like the jellyfish thing - stuff to remind us that science isn't all rosie and cute, things that are symbolic of what happens in some real life science labs like dissecting frogs and killing rats and stuff. She's realistic.

PB is AWARE she's intelligent, which is a pretty comical condescending part to her character, and she has actually acknowledged before that intelligence isn't everything and the way Finn thinks is fascinating, his simple moralistic views of the world and the way he can quickly think of life-saving heroic solutions.

YES, she's humanoid. So what? She may be the "prettiest in the Candy Kingdom" in the eyes of Finn and us other humanoids but not necessarily the candy people themselves. You can't call her a Sues for that when Marceline is just around the corner and her looks even attract real life people. And when people keep saying Flame Princess is so beautiful. PB was the "prettiest female character on the show" for no more than 6 episodes and she was only in 2 of them. Not forgetting Flame Princess who her fanatics keep going "umg so hawt" to.

Yes, she definitely kicked Ricardio's ass in combat. She sherlock'd him as I'd say. But if he wasnt in one of his rapey little fantasies and was not off-guard then she could have lost. The way she beat him was not dissimilar to the way he beat Finn and Jake - planning ahead. That's why she could kick Ricardio's ass so easily when Simon is still a minor threat, because Simon isn't predictable and it's not like she is able to plan ahead when he is going to attack. She can kick ass but there is no way she could compete with magic (or with Finn who is extremely kickass himself).

It was an awesome moment. Appreciate it.

Notably Simon hasnt kidnapped PB since Mortal Folly. Not sure if that's part of some subplot that resulted from the events that happened with the Lich and the candy kingdom has upped its game and upped its defences, but that's for a different blog.

All the stuff you say make her a "sues" are actually the things that make her an anti-cliche. If PB is a Mary-Sue then Finn, Marceline and Flame Princess are HUGE Sues and then you've destroyed your opinion of the entire show which would suck. The characters are all rather realistic and are supposed to reflect back at you parts of your own personality.

The biggest Mary-Sues on the show right now is Flame Princess because she has shown absolutely no anti-cliche or anti-sues qualities whatsoever and a heck of a lot of Sues-contributing qualities. She looks like she belongs in a fanfiction. Not that I dislike her because I find her adorable and a great love interest but she really does.

And remember what an anti-sues is - someone who looks on paper like they should be a Sues but isn't really, is always subversive of that.

YOU clearly think PB being a Mary Sues would be a bad thing. I think that you having a negative view of PB is something to fight against particularly if your view doesnt make complete sense and came out of nowhere. People treat her more critically than they treat other characters.

FPF's logic also depressed me and screwed my perspective over a little the other day but now I've had a think about it I don't think you are all correct. See, the reason I'm arguing with you now is pretty similar to the reason that I started arguing with the less logical haters in the first place. It's that they enjoyed character-bashing when appropriate and completely dismissed any aspects of the character that contradicted their original opinions. Instead of dismissing her bad actions when they werent just clearly there for comical OOC reasons I took a look at the character and thought, "Hmm, there are several reasons why the person I'm debating with is being unreasonable". I constructed an argument against them. And now I think you're being unreasonable so I'm constructing a debate against you. It's not that I want to actually argue, just hit me with some proper logic and I could probably back down or respond to your logic with more logic.

She is a character who has good traits and bad traits and neither are completely and utterly obvious. You have to dig for them. That's what I love about Adventure Time - you can never look at the show with too much depth.

You don't have to like PB but she is anything but a Mary Sues. I won't allow that accusation when it leads to so much unnecessary character hatred and is not well thought through. I love PB but that's because of her characterisation and you're saying that's been compromised.

I want to say more but I'm slightly angry which isn't good for being unbiased and I'm tired and it's 1:20am and I need to be up at 7:30am and I think I'm going to wait to see what you have against me here. I may also have said some rather stupid things in here because Im saying what's on my mind. I like discussing stuff like this, it really makes us look deeper into the AT characters. It's like discussing stuff like animal rights in Religious Studies at school except this clearly has nothing to do with animal rights, lol.

I know my opinion isn't necessarily the correct one. But acknowledge that yours might not be either. So acting all pessimistic is not good and you've only gotten yourself depressed and spreading that depression with sarcastic comments about PB remains a pretty childish thing to do. It's not like I go onto every blog and say "Flame Princess is a mary sues" in some annoyingly sadist form or another. I only mention it when it's relevent. Like now. And I think she can push herself away from the world of cliches if she gets more appearences.

So why do you keep posting comments like the one I originally started getting pissed with? It's not on.