Forum:Princess Bubblegum: evil or at least not good?

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(My apologies If something like this has already been posted, I checked and didn't see anything similar).

This idea got sparked from an archived 4chan thread I found a while back, when I first got into over-analyzing the show, and has really stuck with me.

The more I watch and re-watch the show, I keep feeling like Princess Bubblegum really isn't all that good. Maybe even outright bad.

Peppermint Butler is her right hand man, and (as others have stated), there are several things about him that definitely tip the scales at least towards mildly evil.

There's a bunch of things about Bubblegum that, to me at least, make her seem like not exactly the nicest candyperson about either. Her total loathing for the Duke of Nuts is a little overboard, she frequently sends Finn and Jake out to do something with little to no explanation, there are countless events where she most definitely is using Finn's crush on her to manipulate him, however mildly.

And then there's the episode where they've got to get the Ice King's wails of pain (can't remember the name offhand). I didn't catch this, my boyfriend did, but then I couldn't get the idea out of my head.

When Finn and Jake first see her, she's wearing that plague doctor's mask and spraying some kind of unpleasant looking gas all over the place. Presumably, to counteract the freezer-burn plague, right?

Well, here's something intriguing. When the Ice King 'made it snow', wasn't she standing right there, and is totally unaffected? She also has the book, and has her super-science knowledge, so wouldn't she most likely also know about the freezer-burn and how it would be cured? She, at least to me, seems almost too willing to torture the Ice King, and here's another event of her sending F&J out to do something. And not only does she give them zero reason for it, its something pretty questionable, at least to Finn.

Also, how many times have her 'experiments' gone really freaking awry?

There's also one line in the "Ricardio" episode that really caught me as just unnecessarily...rude.

Right after everything is resolved, she says something to Finn to the effect of "Now that Ricardio is gone, you don't have to be jealous anymore". The subtext, to me, being that Finn is really kind of replacable, at least in any relationship (friendly or otherwise) way.

Then there's the whole thing with the Lich, I'm probably in a huge minority here, but I keep thinking maybe the Lich is a red herring of sorts. I still think (it'd be hard not to with all the evidence right there) that he's pretty damn bad, probably one of the biggest bad guys (at least mentioned so far) in the Adventure Time universe, but something about her having him locked up just feels weird. I probably missed some integral piece of information that absolutely kicks my theory's ass, if so, by all means point it out ('cause I'd rather be proven wrong than to be going about, touting some totally unfounded crazy talk).

TL;DR Princess Bubblegum is really kind of insidious at times, at least in my opinion.

Four rusted horses 20:45, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

This pic explains everything...creepy/socicpath 27finsprincess 21:00, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * WILL YOU STOP ADDING THAT PHOTO?!
 * Fire.gif[[Image:Fire.gif|link=Special/Contributions:A hero boy named Finn]] The Living Things Fire.gif[[Image:Fire.gif|link=User:A hero boy named Finn/Sign-In Sheet]] 20:54, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * It explains her perfectly!!!! :D 27finsprincess 21:00, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * considers deleting the disturbing picture* It pretty much counts as spam, you know, to post random pictures without giving any sort of contribution to the thread. So contribute, or GTFO.
 * I've posted my thoughts about PB's 'jerkness' on a different thread, but this one brings up different issues, and this is what I have to say:
 * Princess Bubblegum is a character of many qualities and of many responsibilities, so it's natural that she has some bad qualities too. I know that she definitely acknowledged Finn's crush on her, and has slightly manipulated it a couple of times like in 'The Real You'. But that was hardly for selfish reasons, was it? And I know she went a bit too far in 'Too Young' and broke his heart with her rejection, but I think the whole thing in 'Too Young' was PB being adventurous at this fresh absence of responsibility. She shattered him in Incendium, but face it, he was a 13-year-old and she was '18', and is almost certainly chronologically far older. She never showed any displays of affection beyond maternal terms when she was an adult. Her quote in 'Ricardio the Heart Guy' showed that she was smart enough to know about Finn's jealousy and she was teasing him when she said that because it had been clear all along that Finn was quite jealous of Ricardio. PB never actually showed any romantic affection to Ricardio at all, just scientific intrigue.
 * She hasn't done anything you would consider as 'bad', or rather, that she would consider as unnecessary harm. Her upmost priotity is to protect the Candy Kingdom, which is why she asks for help from Finn and Jake so much because up until recently (hell, up until Monday) the Candy Kingdom had no defence system. She saw the torture of the Ice King as necessary to cure her people of illness because she needed him to scream, and she'd tried to ask him but he attacked her. Fair enough that she tends to say stupid instructions to Finn, making him, a mere child, keep a 'royal promise' (though to be fair she saw that necessary to stop the candy people exploding). She made Goliad because she knew very well that if she died the Candy Kingdom would have a downfall, which is completely true. She wanted to lock up Baby-Snaps because he was a TERRORIST. Who wouldn't get life for terrorism? And, think about it - he ended up in a mental hospital instead. By the way, your quiery about the Lich? Well, Billy the Hero defeated him last, and PB kept the responsibility of locking him away so that he couldn't do harm again.
 * On the OTHER hand, PB has done a lot of GOOD things. Like I said, she's absolutely devoted to the Candy Kingdom. You saw how she visited those orphans to boost their morale in 'Princess Cookie'? She understands that tyranny is not the way forward. She practically quoted the Dalai Lama in 'Goliad'; "As the bee takes the essence of the flower without harming its sweet perfume, so should the sage wander through life". She really does care for people. And for Finn, that was proven in 'Mortal Folly' where we saw her worrying about him (which she may do off-screen every time she sends him on a mission) and she knitted him a jumper that actually saved his life with the power of "liking-someone-a-lot".
 * Okay, the 'Duke of Nuts' thing was probably overboard, but he was a THIEF. A THIEF, and remember that thieves used to have their hands and ears sliced off on a GOOD day. A thief who, she was led to believe, had thrown a potion at her that disfigured her. When Finn begged her to forgive him and the Duke, she pretty much did despite not buying the Duke's story about 'pudding deficiency'.
 * Peppermint Butler has a huge question mark above him. He's clearly got something occult about him, but does PB necessarily know? Then again, PB did used to have a strong bond with Marceline who deals with such things. I don't think Peppermint Butler is all that bad, he's just demonic. Like Marceline. He didn't actually steal Finn and Jake's flesh in the end.
 * I'm not saying at all that PB hasn't said rude or slightly insane things. She's bonkers and has a high GLaDOS potential in my opinion. But she's not a bad person. Icanhascheezeburger 21:47, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * And my posts keep getting longer and longer... Icanhascheezeburger 21:48, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Can you guys stop arguing about this?! She's a really nice person that has reasons for everything she does! I love her! She's just a little rude sometimes! Every girls get their period! 69.46.209.135 23:21, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I find her insane with a god complex. Reminds me of alot of the girls I knew in high school.24.10.132.195 10:06, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Probley not good; she should NOT had that action to Finn in Incendium. :P Katty000 (talk) 21:19, September 2, 2012 (UTC)Katty000

From my understanding, she is part human and part candy. I believe a writer said something to that affect. When the series started, she was nice and intelligent, but naiive and fearful at times. After her incident in Mortal Folly, though, she was only given candy mass, which is reasonable since they can't rip off Finn's skin! Then, to become 18 again, she got even more candy mass. Now, she still is caring and rational and a fitting leader for the candy people, but there are more times when she is... well... like her subjects. They can't handle the truth, it would literally blow their minds! She has become more and more like them as she has less human mass compared to candy mass. Just a thought... KnownAnon67 (talk) 23:58, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

No, PB isn't evil. Yes, she has quite a few personality traits that are a little nutty, but as far as we know, her brain is made out of bubblegum. Prince James  07:11, September 3, 2012 (UTC)