User talk:Felinoel

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Adventure Time with Finn and Jake Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Princess Bubblegum page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Cornprone (Talk) 05:20, May 5, 2011

Vertebrates.
Chyeah, I noticed what you were doing when I saw you removed from the piggies' page too. Anywho, continue.

Templates
Hi. I'm wondering what all the templates you're creating are for. I'm not saying not to do it, I'm just wondering what you're doing. Thanks. --Cornprone 23:40, May 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Basically the project pages, like Project Species, Project Undead, Project Princesses, Project Kingdoms, and etc. The pages for princesses and kingdoms are really only names, princesses includes all royalty and kingdoms includes all lands. Also Project Species is the only one currently actually made so far, though Project Undead is linked to.
 * Though most of those templates make round borders so they can be used for things other than project pages too, it is just basic templates. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  00:48, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Category:Characters
Hi. Actually, the reason I'm removing it is because Template:Character (the character infobox that's on almost every character page) automatically includes Category:Characters. So it's redundant to add it manually as well. It technically doesn't hurt anything to do that, but there's no reason for it to be there either. Anyway, thanks and keep up the good work. --Cornprone 23:36, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Category:Characters is for all characters, with the others being subcategories underneath it. --Cornprone 23:42, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the past, we've had discussions about redefining Minor Characters. See Category_talk:Minor_Characters. If you have some ideas about how to do so (specifically splitting Category:Minor Characters into more meaningful subsets), maybe post on that talk page. --Cornprone 23:52, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Gunter
Heh, I guess anything is possible, although there's no evidence for it. I like the other explanations better. --Cornprone 04:18, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Marceline's dad
Yeah, I see Marceline's dad as an analogue for the devil, and there's nothing particularly vampiric about him. That said, it's not my opinion that matters here; that quote about being "more demonic than vampiric" came directly from Adam Muto, as seen in the reference link attached to the statement. Oh also regarding the "Mammals" category, I never liked it. I'd support deleting it. --Cornprone 12:52, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

"Voodoo" ~Black Sabbath
Hey Felinoel, I'm not anyone of any real importance here, but I've noticed that you've really been doing alot of work to imrpove this wiki. I just wanted to thank you, I suppose. I was real prolific too when I first started about a month and a half ago, but I've slowed down. Anyway yeah, thanks for all you've done man, and good job cracking the top ten :) Bankaibuddy15 00:53, May 19, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * Oh hey thanks felinoel  ~  (Talk)  01:16, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Species
Hi. I noticed you started creating separate pages for species of animals, such as Rodents and Bovine. I'm not into this. I mean, there's nothing worthwhile to say about these species, especially considering that the only examples of these species are minor, unimportant characters. Also, the pages aren't even for a specific species; you're just linking to characters of related species, like putting rats and chipmunks together. Wouldn't it make more sense to merge all of this onto your Species article? --Cornprone 01:03, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I lessened the amount of animal species by classifying them as rodent and bovine, bovines are cows, bison, minotaurs, etc and the rodents are chipmunks, squirrels, and rats. I figured lessening the amount of animal species by doing that would have been fine and was at the moment racking my brain trying to group the remaining animals in as few species groups as possible... was that not a good idea?
 * Isn't it all on the Species article already though? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  01:09, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, what I'm saying though is, if there's nothing worth saying on a page like "Rodents" then why have it as a separate page at all? Why not just have an "Animals" section on the Species page? --Cornprone 01:13, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * But... a human is an animal? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  01:15, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we could go with Critters or something along those lines for the remaining animals? Raccoons, beavers, foxes, giraffes, and basically like those? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  03:57, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * How does Metazoa sound? I guess it may be like Metazoan People or something? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  14:27, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Though I do appreciate the other work you do on this wiki, I just don't understand what you're trying to do with these species pages. "Metazoan People"? It's a very strange choice of name, and why does it even need its own page? It's just a list of species, so why can't it merged with your Species article? Then there's things like the Aquatic People page. So you're going to put Trudy in the same group as a dolphin? We don't even know if Trudy is aquatic. She could just as easily be some kind of space person; we just don't know. Honestly, I think we should only create new pages for real species, where we've seen more than one character of that species. Not a collection of similar species, but multiple characters who are actually the exact same species. Everything else can be listed on the "Species" article, but not have its own article. That's how I would handle it. Thoughts? --Cornprone 03:00, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Metazoan page is a list of subspecies, not a list of species, that way it limits the amount of species pages made because too many were being made. It is already on the species page, though as a single species. I was unsure of where to put Trudy truthfully, the aquatic page was originally just for fish and whatnot until I came across the Trudy page. If you want to remove the species thing then fine, I just was trying to bring about a little order in an otherwise discordant system. Though where would you draw the line? We don't actually know the name of the Nut People, do we? We know there is a kingdom associated with them, or rather a dukedom, but I don't think they were ever named? So do they not get mentioned as a species?  felinoel  ~  (Talk)  04:33, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just don't understand why you are creating new pages that are lists of subspecies. Why not just list all the species on the Species page? Regarding Nut People, sometimes names come from the character design sheets or from the show's credits. But if we don't know an official name, I guess we'll just have to use common sense.--Cornprone 07:49, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * The article that is a list of subspecies is a list of subspecies found in a particular species explaining the species itself, since it is an article about the species. Though as I said if you wish the extra species gone I will remove them and if you want to speculate on only certain species that is fine, I will be sure not to do it though just in case I speculate wrong. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  08:01, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Unneeded categories
Huh? Bankaibuddy15 01:15, May 19, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * You reverted my removal of a category on only four pages that is based on a place found in only one episode, shouldn't categories be for things of more impact like royalty? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  01:17, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh. Well should the Villans category be deleted all together then? Bankaibuddy15 01:24, May 19, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * Yea but Tavi told me to add the delete tag once I deleted them all... I just put it on there now to stop it from happening again, but what about the single episode based category? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  01:25, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the vertebrates and mammals things makes sense. What of this "single episode based category" you speak of? Sorry if I'm being slow, but I don't know what yur talkin about there man. Bankaibuddy15 01:33, May 19, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * Nah it is fine it has been rectified more or less. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  01:35, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1.) Oh good, glad it's been taken care of.
 * 2.) By Single Episode Based Category do you mean like Labrynth inhabitance? If that's what you mean then I think they should go. Bankaibuddy15 01:50, May 19, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * Go as in go back or as in go away? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  01:56, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Anthro vs. Natural
We should differentiate between the animals that are "anthromorphic" vs the animals that are "natural". Thus the "snail" vs. the "snail people" like the ones Snorlock came across; or the difference of the "bears" like the Care Bear homages and the "realistic bears". (besides, someone put "bee people" with Bee Princess when the bee from "Evicted!" seemed like an ordinary bee) -StrangerAtaru 12:40, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Snorlock wasn't anthropomorphic, nor were the snails he came across? That ordinary seeming bee was huge, the same size as the princess? But I see your point, though a species isn't limited to one group of extremely similar beings, they are diverse, just because some bears were extremely mutated by the radiation while others were only mildly, does not make them any less the same species. They both talk, they both are bears, that is enough in my opinion to group them together as Bear People. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  13:27, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * The difference between Snorlock and the snail is simple: Snorlock is a mutated giant slug, while the snail is just a tiny little regular sized snail who doesn't talk. The world has mutated so much that we have a lot of variation between regular "animals", semi-intelligent animals that can talk and yet are more like real animals, and all out anthromorphs. We should start differentiating in articles between the natural ones and the mutated anthro/intelligent ones even if we keep them together. -StrangerAtaru 15:09, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * But the giant slug is not anthropomorphic? Just because you have never seen the snail talk doesn't mean he can't? He seems pretty sentient enough, enough to wave at the audience means he has an understanding of what he is doing. It could be that what he has for vocal cords don't work to speak English but he still communicates. The point is, species encompass a wide variety of beings, they can't be just limited to Bear People and regular bears, then it isn't a species. Take a look at all the different Candy People, do they get separated of fruits, candy bars, marshmellows, and whatnot? No because Candy People is their species. You can differentiate them in their articles, but not through the species. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  15:40, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean two separate articles. I just mean one article which differentiates that there are variations between beings due to the current circumstances of Ooo. -StrangerAtaru 17:18, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well sure of course each species article will list the varying... let's say 'subspecies' of that species? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  17:28, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

"Turkish March" ~Mozart
Dude, what the hell are metazoan people? Bankaibuddy15 20:37, May 21, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * Animals. Also as for the turtle people, they have their own princess so they likely have a kingdom. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  20:46, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, yeah. Anyway, "Metazoan" doesn't exist on this wiki, so I used my Rollback powers to revert the edits you made adding that word or whatever. As for the deleted categories, those were a side effect of my rollback powers. It wasn't my intention to readd the deleted categories, just to get rid of that metazoan stuff. Bankaibuddy15 20:49, May 21, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * I was in the middle of writing it with a list of all the Metazoan People? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  20:51, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * So you're making a category or page or something for "Metazoan?" Bankaibuddy15 20:52, May 21, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * Wait a minute man. I just looked it up. "Metazoan" is everything that's alive!! That's like, every character in the Land of Ooo. Doesn't that seem like a rather broad category? I mean we already know that they're alive. We aready know that they're animals. Seems a little like overkill to me man. Bankaibuddy15 20:55, May 21, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * I am writing the article, yes, and since it requires existence apparently I saved a tiny bit of the article so there would be no red link. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  20:57, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * What? You mean you didn't look it up before posting on my page about it? Also Metazoa is the name of the Animal Kingdom? Not everything, just everything that is an animal? There are plenty of other things alive besides animals? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  20:57, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, so if you rollbacked Metazoan and Turtle because they were redlinked, why did you rollback Fish too? Aquatic People wasn't a redlink? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  21:03, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...and why did you rollback the speculation on Fionna? Speculation has no place in a wikia? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  21:06, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I must've gotten carried away with the Fish and I was trying to revery something else with Fionna, not reintroduce the speculation. That was just a negative side effect. Also, I still feel Metazoan is still to broad a category. Finn is just as much an animal as a fish or a bird, and then take into consideration a certain ambiguity. What about the Candy People? Are they animals? Bankaibuddy15 21:09, May 21, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * The only thing reverted on Fionna was speculation, and the point of the Metazoan People is the ambiguity, we do not need millions of species, especially if one group doesn't even have a leader it only appears on the show once, the Metazoan People is there to close the gap of people without a species. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  21:14, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, thinkin' with your noggin there bro. Maybe there should be a category for one time species. Alright. But maybe change the name to something a little more recognizable, like "One Time Species" just so that people don't get confused and add things like Candy People that don't belong there. You don't have to, but I think it would help Bankaibuddy15 21:18, May 21, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * It is an article, but this way fits the style already done? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  21:21, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh. It's an article. (Rubbing Eyes) Okay, and this "style" you speak of. Your sentence there looks like a statement, but it has a question mark. Are you asking me something? Bankaibuddy15 21:23, May 21, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * The question is, "Wouldn't fitting the style be more appropriate?" felinoel  ~  (Talk)  21:29, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Marceline's dad
Tee hee, you caught me. I was just teasing you man. There was nothing wrong with your edit. If you feel you have to turn me in to Tavi for abusing my powers just this once, then so be it. I just had to get it out of my system, AND YOU WERE MY UNFORTUNATE VICTIM!! Bankaibuddy15 23:20, May 21, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15
 * Huh? felinoel  ~  (Talk)  23:22, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

"Evisceration Plague" ~Cannibal Corpse
You can't mutate dead flesh man. Bankaibuddy15 04:49, May 23, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15

Now that I think about it, I suppose Undeadness could be a mutation depending on how the person became undead. Like in that Metallica video "All Nightmare Long" there were these little spores that could reanimate dead flesh, so I guess you could consider that a mutation, but in the case of the Lich he was probably made undead through spiritual means rather then by biological means, so I don't think we should call him a mutant. Bankaibuddy15 04:56, May 23, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15

Well with that in mind, why don't we just add every character in the Land of Ooo besides Finn. They're clearly all mutants too then. See, that's why I never liked the Mutant category to begin with. Anyway, I'm getting off topic. So if the Lich is the result of the Mushroom War, then he's a mutant. I didn't know magic didn't exist in the Land of Ooo. Oh, and the Song of the Day feature was just a thing I did where I'd provide an external link to a song I was fancying that day. I stopped before you came around because I had simular lists on two other Wikis, and I'm like man, I listen to alot of music, but not enough to have three lists each with their own individual sets of music. So i stopped, and on June 5th I'll start it up again, only this time the lists will be the same, rather then difererent as they were before. It isn't all that creative, but at least they'll be there for the fun of it, you know? Bankaibuddy15 05:11, May 23, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15

Yeah, good ol' Pen. Anyway yeah, if the Mutant category does stay, and if the Lich really is a mutant, then yeah, he should be on it. You have to be pretty messed up to be a walking corpse. I'm still opposed to the whole thing, but oh well. Bankaibuddy15 05:16, May 23, 2011 (UTC)Bankaibuddy15