Talk:Mushroom War

season 4
I think that since Season 3 is already planned out and everything, they should make an episode about this in Season 4. They should tell what happened, who was the war against, all of the obvious stuff. There are a lot of questions that have been left unanswered.
 * felinoel ~  (Talk)  09:20, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Sad Idea
What if finn is really living in a post apocalyptic waste land and the land of Ooo we see is just a projection of a lost boy's imagination while trying to cope with the horrors of the apocalypse and the hints we see are fragments of reality The Eternal Adam 04:42, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * felinoel ~  (Talk)  05:54, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nobody cares. ````


 * lol you forgot to hold down shift. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  05:40, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * one of my best friends is doing a thesis paper on this idea (ps i agree with the whole speculative forum thing my brother posted this ) The Eternal Adam 00:13, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Why?
Has anyone ever read The Road, by Cormac McCarthy? The premise of a post-apocolyptic world is similar; however, the author never reveals the source of the calamity, the reason being that it needs no explanation. An explanation is neither crucial nor relevant to the enjoyment of the show, and for that reason, I hope it is never explained. The beautiful thing about this is that you're left to speculate and theorize and interpret till your heart's content.

That goes unsaid, if there was any place to speculate it would be talk forums at the wiki, or the blog but whatever.The Eternal Adam 15:51, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Actualy that movie in the begining he says somethin about shells exploding so it was most likely caused by a nuclear bomb strike but that isnet needed we dont have any idea how the mushroom war happened except for some undetonated nuclear missles

Apocalypse Gallery
Would anyone be opposed to gallery showing all the evidence of the post apocalyptic world? I just think some of the backgrounds to Mortal Recoil and stuff would be really informative.
 * I think that's a great idea. You know how the saying goes: a picture says more then a thousend words. The Master&#39;s Voice 19:19, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Frame from "Memory of a Memory" shown in gallery
Has anyone noticed the bent piece of metal leaning against a fallen tree/ overgrowth in the frame transitioning from Marceline's memory of her living room to the memory of a destroyed city-scape? I think this piece of metal MAY be a reference to the movie "The Iron Giant," in which one of the characters tries to lure the giant into a remote spot in the woods with a VERY similar looking piece of metal, in the same position, with the same bend. Just a thought to consider, first thing I thought when I saw it... Moopzoo 22:30, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Thing thing i find interesting
The thing i have always found interesting is that in the opening shot you see Arrows, Axes, and swords. MIDEVIL Weapons. Then there is the Nukes. How do those fit together?

Lenopow (talk) (Blog) 08:01, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Easily, the Land of Ooo is a continent on planet Earth after a nuclear war took out a chunk of the planet, this is set in the future of Earth but since it is a post-apocalyptic wasteland medieval type weapons are much easier to make with such limited resources and technology due to the whole giant war killing or mutating everything. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  09:34, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Oh my gosh...
Im so stupid not to realize these points earlier. I just thought Adventure Time was a funny, pointless show. But this makes it seem so much darker. Kinshi57 02:34, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea it is plenty dark, see here. felinoel  ~  (Talk)  17:53, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

The Mushroom War=Cold War
If you could see Simon Petrikov's Video, you will see a plane flying then Nuclear Winter Starts. Everything in the video is about Cold War Era. And most things Finn and Jake find are Cold War era. There might have been Total Nuclear War between the US and the USSR and the plane must've dropped a Nuke and caused Nuclear Winter. The Fallout then changed everything.Adriel3 09:02, January 29, 2012 (UTC)Adriel3
 * This would be considered speculation and better suited as a forum topic. -- Bunai82 (talk) 14:11, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Wow i never noticed the stuff everywhere, i mean, i did, but i didn't give it much thought since the chracters act like it's totaly normal. http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5026/9511327106020temp.gif 23:57, February 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * A few nukes and suuch are not Cold War exclusive?  felinoel  ~  (Talk)  http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120226125159/adventuretimevideonetwork/images/6/6a/Abscraftyd.gif 16:25, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

nuclear fallout
I don't think the creatures could have been created by nuclear waste since...they are magical...and nuclear waste is not...Nex Carnifex 03:13, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pen has stated that the nuclear radiation caused magic to exist. [[Image:Shinx.png|link=User:felinoel|User Page]]  ƒel inoel  [[Image:Scraft.gif|link=Special:Contributions/Felinoel|Contributions]] . 04:38, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Nuclear war or magic?
I don't like how everyone jumps to the conclusion that nukes are why it was called the "Mushroom War." Nucular warfare just doesn't explain enough for me. I'm sure Nukes and other various bombs were used during the previously mentioned war; although nukes would explain the grotesque Princess Princess Princess in "What is Life" It is still not enough. All of these intsruments of destruction are capable of wiping our civilizations. However, they are not capable of blowing a continent off the face of the earth. Now, I would like to bring attention to the fact that there is magic literally everywhere in the Land of Ooo, and I hope everyone would agree with me that radiation does not create magic nor does it bring inanimate objects to life. It only mutates and kills.The only explanation I could think of is magic returning to the modern world in the form of mushrooms. These mushrooms would be raw magic power granting life to the environment around it. These mushrooms either appeared in one centralized location or popped up all over the world. What ever the case may be us humans, being the power hungry beings we are, sprung at the chance of weilding their power for our own gain. There would be a great world war over the mushrooms that would initially begin with nukes, but as more magic returned to our planet the less need there was for bombs. We could more readliy harness the magic and use it against our enimes. The "Mushroom War" being about magic makes more sense than nukes unless they were magicly enhanced nukes which is an entirely different topic all together. I hope I broadened the war topic with my theory.

CircuitFist 01:14, April 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * We already know it was a nuclear war. There is not a being with that much of power.Afliador8 01:19, April 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep in mind that magic can do whatever the hell it wants because it's magic.


 * CircuitFist 01:22, April 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, radiation does create magic :P In all seriousness though, we don't know much of anything about the Mushroom War, so we can't assume that it was entirely nuclear. But...
 * -- [[File:Mew.gif]] Legendary  Dark   Knight [[File:Latias.gif]] 01:24, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...What are you talking about? It was obviously a nuclear war. Everything in Ooo was mutated, and some became magic users due to radiation. Using magic is a mutation in the show, basically. Plus, it is a TV show. It doesn't need to make perfect sense. Sky Monster 01:27, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pen has stated that there was a nuclear war and that the radiation from the nukes mutated everyone and most everything and also created magic. You can see the nuclear winter in that Holly Jolly episode, the crown told Simon it could protect him from it. There is really no discussion on this to be had since Pen directly stated this so no need to take it to the forums unless you want I guess. [[Image:Shinx.png|link=User:felinoel|User Page]]  ƒel inoel  [[Image:Scraft.gif|link=Special:Contributions/Felinoel|Contributions]] . 12:27, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Why not both?--67.224.248.125 13:02, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because the creator of the show said so. [[Image:Shinx.png|link=User:felinoel|User Page]]  ƒel inoel [[Image:Scraft.gif|link=Special:Contributions/Felinoel|Contributions]] . 13:42, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I guess it all makes sense. Normally people would just overlook this evidence but now that I read the article, it all fits together. There was definitely a nuclear war of some sort. Flambo the Epic Epic(20:09, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Timing of the mushroom war
The article brought up the fact that the M W could be in the future due to the presence of futuristic technology. Whilst this is a viable argument I would like to point out that during war time the advancement of technology will often increse dramaticly, such as with the advancement of air travle in WW1 and WW2. This could mean that the M W was infact the cold war, or just some other previouse war that turned nuclear. This theory is supported by the fact that the ice king, when human, was using vidio tapes rarther than a more up to date format. I may be reading to far into this but vhs was first developed in the 1970, during the cold war period. As a historian or university professor or whatever he was, he would surley have access to better technologys if he was from present day or the futer. Then again, it is a cartoon, so I doubt they botherd going in to so much detail about it. 86.180.29.97 19:42, May 19, 2012 (UTC)Turner
 * Nah, I think it is set in the future from not or at least now-ish. People still use VHSs and besides he wasn't in his right state of mind at the time. 15:40, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but look at the tanks in Marcilines first memory in "Memory of a memory". They look far more like the tanks from the cold war (like in Iron Giant) than modern day tanks. 86.140.44.201 19:35, May 24, 2012 (UTC)Turner
 * That is a memory, from like a thousand years ago, who knows how exact it was. 19:52, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * That is pure speculation, you have no evidence to suggest the memory is not exact!

86.140.44.201 19:17, May 26, 2012 (UTC)Turner


 * As is speculating that the memory is exact. 14:39, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Mushroom War is obviously Nuclear War
I was just glancing over this wiki page and talk section and I hadn't thought this needed to be said, as I thought it was incredibly obvious for anyone; but it seems that some people still think its not about nukes. Before it was confirmed (which I haven't notice a citation for, so I am just assuming) I thought this was obvious and unquestionable. I mean, Mushroom War...nukes form Mushroom clouds...figured this stuff was pretty clear. Should there just be a mention of this somehow worked into the wiki page just to make it that much clearer for those that I guess simply don't get it.... EarthBoundX5 (talk) 14:05, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * The word "nuclear" appears on this page 10 times. Does it need more? An absolute claim about the nature of the Mushroom War shouldn't be made without absolute proof, which has yet to be given. 20:47, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, I was unsure about absolute proof, as I've read people saying Pendleton Ward did give a statement on it; but I haven't seen a source. Regardless, I think its clear we can agree its pretty obvious in the relationships of the word usage. I was just thinking of using that simple analogy to strengthen the clarity of more "evidence" that it was most probably a nuclear war. EarthBoundX5 (talk) 23:29, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's obvious to me and many other people, I'm sure; However, it's also a work of fiction, so no matter how obvious speculative conclusions are, they are still speculative. Pen Ward could decide to write that the Mushroom War was actually a war where sapient mushrooms came to Earth and blew it up, just because he wanted to mess with people. 11:56, August 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * True and quite likely, hahaha! EarthBoundX5 (talk) 12:14, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Thermonuclear and hydrogen weapons
Nuclear is too old and too unstable to be used by the humans. They have already invented holographic newspapers and stuff like that. It's already the FUTURE. Every nation would be using thermonuclear and hydrogen weapons before the GMW even started.

The Russian 01:00, August 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Neutron, thermonuclear, hydrogen, etc. are all nuclear weapons. There's no need to list out different kinds of nuclear weapons. Especially since, as you point out, the war happens in our future, so weapons that haven't been invented yet could have been used. 01:09, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Besides, Ooo is post-apocalyptic, they use a multitude of varying types of tech. 14:25, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Timeline
There's some speculation in the timeline section that I feel shouldn't really be there. Doesn't speculation belong more in the forums? Olivivo (talk) 21:49, September 6, 2012 (UTC)Olivivo
 * You're right, but some of it isn't without evidence or logic. Maybe there should be a special page for the Timeline section with a speculation warning (like Marceline's origin). 23:45, September 6, 2012 (UTC)