Forum:Age rule broken

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A lot of users are broadcasting to the world that they are breaking Wikia's age rule... what do I do? Should I... ban them? I don't really want to but I don't want this wikia to get in trouble... 16:34, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Tell them not to mention their age anymore if it's under 13. Then remove all the comments, and do QUICKLY, ASAP. If you ban all of them... you'll do the wiki unrepairable harm. Remember that. Now, please, take my advice. Marcaline 16:58, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a whole blog where people just post their ages over and over. 17:12, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's true. Delete those comments and put a warning on it. And if you have to delete the blog, delete it. That's always better then having to ban dozens of people... I wish I knew another solution, but I don't. Marcaline 17:15, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is out of my hands, I will not jeopardize the entire wikia over a few users. 17:23, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not just a few users and you know that darn well... it's like, 60% of the wiki's users. Probably more. Marcaline 17:28, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * PS: I don't even know why you had to bring this up in the first place, you're not doing anyone a favour here. Marcaline 17:29, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * As I said on my talk page since for some reason you've split this discussion into two pages, I brought it up because there is already record of me responding to the blog in which countless users posted their age. 17:30, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then delete your own comments on that blog too. And mine, while you're at it. Then this forum. Easy, no? Marcaline 17:36, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * On a wikia nothing is ever truly deleted. Except images maybe... 17:37, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of the fact that admins can dig through deleted stuff. But why give them a reason for doing so? Marcaline 17:39, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * If that is the course of action decided upon then I will be for it, but I know that I will not be the reason for the wikia getting deleted or at least my account getting banned by the wikia staff for not enforcing basic wikia rules. 17:46, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wait wait. What the cabbage is this "age rule" you guys are talking about. snafli.jpg Lord of the wikis   (Afliador8) pehiss.jpg 18:16, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikia Terms of Use
 * Which should be read before you even create an account. And hiding evidence of under-aged users is not going to make things better, that is also underhanded. -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:22, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * This is going to be a problem, many users have also told their ages to me on the chat and most of them are under the age limit. As to having these users banned im not sure, but if not banning them could mean the wikia's demise then it seems like the only likely solution.

 The  Unmatched   Shinobi  18:21, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't act like this is new to you guys... or to wikia for that matter. These people were younger then 13 a year ago, and they still are now. So what? We've known this for a long time. It never was an issue before on the site. Plenty of staff members from wikia (wikia bosses) have been here. I've even seen them RENAMING ACCOUNTS OF PEOPLE WHO HAD WRITTEN ON THEIR USER PAGES THAT THEY WERE YOUNGER THEN 13, for Glob's sake... doesn't seem like they care all that much. If they would really delete the wiki over this, they would have done so already. They haven't even warned us yet, and they usually do that first. No, wait: they ALWAYS warn first. Especially if it's a wiki as big as this one. Also, this is a wiki about a kid's show on Cartoon Network. Sure they'll have some leniency because of that. On regular show wiki I have even seen MODS younger then 13. Nobody seemed to care. ;) Marcaline 18:24, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Demise of the wiki?
 * Half of them only comment on blog entries and use chat. While another half has trouble with wiki text. I have no problem with competent younger users that are helpful, or those that create an account to have more feature access as oppose to be an IP, but those who clearly show their age should think twice about interacting on sites such as Wikia and or Facebook (as an example). -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:27, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think an otherwise fine user should be banned just because some silly rule says they are. Now if they are causing trouble it would be a whole different story, sure. Marcaline 18:28, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Even so these are rules we still have to follow, like Marcaline said it may not cause a problem and the wikia staff might not even consider any form of action, but that doesn't mean we should ignore this rule entirely. If felinoel thinks this could be an issue then we should assume that it will be. I personally don't have a problem with this, but like I said before these are rules we have to follow and if the wikia staff doesn't have a problem with under aged users then great, but until then we should not assume they will fully support that.

 The  Unmatched   Shinobi  18:40, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * So Wikia should get into trouble, because of a "silly rule" that was not set by them, but one that they have to comply with for the security of their own reputation?
 * The snarky replies by the under-aged users show that they can cause trouble.


 * In this situation, Wikia Staff would block the account, while the IP would temporary, since IPs change depending on the settings and location of a computer. -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:48, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think this is the case, as the one that are giving away their ages are doing so freely and voluntarily. And please, we are not in the 19th century anymore. I've seen 8-year-old kids watching stuff they shouldn't and making Facebook accounts. If they want whatever, it's their problem. snafli.jpg Lord of the wikis   (Afliador8) pehiss.jpg 18:51, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikia Staff knows of this. They keep excellent track of people and their behaviour across multiple wiki's. They know our age, and our reputation. And if someone causes serious trouble (like Muck, or Scamleader), they WILL block these people cross-wiki (as in: on all wiki's). If any of our younger-then-thirteen people misbehaves here, a wikia staffer can (and WILL) ban them before they can count to ten. Trust me. Seen it happening before. Marcaline 18:52, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Its too late guys. They already disabled AK1's and my account. Forget this......Im done on wikia -Alice

More discussion

 * @Afliador8
 * It has nothing to do with "Oh please", it has to do with the law. And Facebook does remove accounts by under-aged users, but they can not be everywhere check every single account. And if something happens to that user, then it the company that has to pay for the consequence.


 * Attempt that type of "Oh please" attitude with an authority figure, and they will certainly not take it lightly. -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:00, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * If they are intelligent enough as to use a computer, and their parents carelessly enough as to let them use it without supervision, it's THEIR problem. No ours, no this wikia's. So just let them be. snafli.jpg Lord of the wikis   (Afliador8) pehiss.jpg 19:11, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you apply that logic to an actual, real-world situation, this is how it turns out: "If they are intelligent enough as to use a dangerous weapon, and their parents carelessly enough as to let them use it without supervision, it's THEIR problem. No ours, no the police. So just let them be."
 * That suggestion is pretty irresponsible. I know that my example is more extreme, but you can apply it to many different things. That's not how the system works. FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 19:22, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have issue with the rule then go and try to get rid of it, talk to the Wikia staff about it, though it is unlikely that they will remove it since they have to follow rules too. 19:25, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thing is, if they really think it's a problem, THEY will take action. It's their rule, not yours. And trust me, they are watching this wiki. They know this is going on. If it get's out of hand, they will ban the biggest troublemakers, but I am sure you guys will do that before they would. But ban someone who is an otherwise good user just because they are 11 or 12? Nah, the wiki staffers won't do that. Marcaline 19:29, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * But if the admins willingly disobey Wikia's rules by acknowledging that there are underaged users and doing nothing about it, the admins will get in trouble. It's easy enough for regular users to disagree with this because people like you, Marcaline, who don't have the power to stop underaged users from being here and are over the age yourself. You won't get in trouble for not stopping them. The admins will. FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 19:34, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you won't, Saber. None of the admins will get in trouble. If so, they would have been a long time ago. This is not a new thing, young people have been here for as long as the wiki excists. Before you even signed in, they were already here. And nobody had a problem with it. Now all of a sudden, it is a problem? The wikia staff has more important things to worry about and so have you guys. Nobody is in trouble. And other wiki's do not enforce this rule either, it's as good as impossible to enforce. Be realistic for once. And don't be so whiny. Please, for the love of glob... Like I said: the wikia staffers visit this wiki regulary. They know what's going on. If they took this even half as serious as you do, they would have said something already. They haven't. What does that tell us? That it's not exactly their top priority. So why should it be yours? Marcaline 19:39, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you're right, I won't, because I'm not an admin. FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 19:42, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank God you're not! :P Marcaline 19:43, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank glob you're not! I actually want this wiki to exist without total chaos. Right now, it's just in a state of mostly chaos. FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 19:44, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * You are overreacting, as usual. Ever heard of "looking at the bright side of things"? Right now, the wiki is clearing up. It's improving. Trolling is a lot less nowadays. Compare the wiki now with the wiki a month ago, or even a week, and I see a lot of improvement. Don't you? Marcaline 19:47, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just because it's better does NOT mean it's good at all. There are still a lot of problems here, and I haven't seen much improvement, since it's still not decent. FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 19:49, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Your definition of progress isn't the same as mine, it seems... we have less trolling now (if any). A lot of images have been removed. We actually have discussions and debates with the mods, instead of just screaming we hate you guys (which we don't). There is a lot less swearing, too. That's all progress if you compare us now with some time ago. You don't think the wiki still isn't decent? Your problem. I think what you call "decent" is what I call "hell". :P Marcaline 19:54, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * PS: Haven't you noticed how we are not complaining when mods delete files and you've deleted a lot of files (double files, swearing files, etc.,)... just last day, a file of me was removed. I liked that file. But to keep the peace I did not protest. If I can do change my views, so can you. Know the meaning of the word compromise? Marcaline 19:56, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * You are totally misinformed. I am physically unable to delete files. So, that's completely incorrect :P FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 19:58, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I meant to say: "they've". I know you're no admin. My bad. You get the point, though. Ur smart enough. :) Marcaline 20:11, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Anyway, to get back on topic, this decision really doesn't concern anybody but the admins. They are the ones who should decide since they're the ones who will have to face the possible consequences. None of us "regular users" will get in trouble, but they might. It's really up to them if they want to risk letting people break the first rule posted in their Terms of Usage.  Saber Sworn  19:57, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

First, if a kid is smart enough, he/she won't use no weapon. There is a difference between being intelligent and being smart.Second of all, Marcaline is right. And I have not idea why telling someone else your age is dangerous. If we are talking about something as your real name or where you live, that's another thing. So stop overreacting. It's not a big deal. Lord of the wikis   (Afliador8)  19:59, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * True, Afliador! @Saber: I've said it before, but you haven't responded directly so I'll say it again:
 * "None of the admins will get in trouble. If so, they would have been a long time ago. This is not a new thing, people younger then thirteen have been here for as long as the wiki excists. Before you even signed in, they were already here. And nobody had a problem with it. Now all of a sudden, it is a problem? The wikia staff has more important things to worry about and so have you guys. Nobody is in trouble. And other wiki's do not enforce this rule either, it's as good as impossible to enforce. Be realistic for once. And don't be so whiny. Please, for the love of glob... Like I said: the wikia staffers visit this wiki regulary. They know what's going on. If they took this even half as serious as you do, they would have said something already. They haven't. What does that tell us? That it's not exactly their top priority. So why should it be ours?"
 * So, yeah... Marcaline 20:01, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if it's not "their top priority." It's still a rule. Just because no one is watching right now doesn't mean you can break a rule. Just because there are more serious crimes in some places doesn't mean it's okay to commit the minor ones... That's not how the law works. FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 20:04, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * They don't care. Why? Because our minor users are still here. If Wikia cared this would not be the case. Because, as I said, staffers frequent the site. Marcaline 20:07, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Afliador
 * You don't have any idea why it's dangerous. Wikia does, though. Whether you like it or not, Wikia actually has to follow real-world laws. FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 20:02, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * :Saber, I'm going to say this straight : You don't belong here . This wiki is for people who really like Adventure Time . You like the rules more than the series, and when you do something you think on the rule rather than the series . And about what you said before : ANYTHING about this wiki concerns us all . Admins are nothing without us . snafli.jpg Lord of the wikis   (Afliador8) pehiss.jpg 20:07, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * It only states that we can't ask for it. snafli.jpg Lord of the wikis   (Afliador8) pehiss.jpg 20:09, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * If I didn't care about the series or this wiki, why would I have 6200+ edits that are mostly concerned with fixing actual articles, the main reason this wiki is here? If you think I don't belong here, with the thousands of mainspace edits I have, that means you don't think the people who only post on blogs do either. I believe in following the rules because rules are there for a reason. I don't want to see any of the admins get in trouble. If you didn't want this, you'd support following Wikia's rules too. But, obviously, you don't care about them because you're too selfish to want to comply with simple, legal rules. FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 20:14, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * And yes, it concerns you, Afliador, in the sense that it affects the community. However, you're not the one who might get in trouble. Why should you have the choice to tell other people not to follow the rules when they could get in trouble for it? It's pretty darn selfish. FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 20:16, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

I've read arguments on this topic on other wikis and I'd like to point out this particular quote:
 * "As nice as it would be to bend the rules, it just can't happen here. I'd like to point out that this decision is not ours to make. This rule is part of the Wikia terms of use (end user license agreement) that everybody has to follow regardless of any situation. It is not a bendable "policy," it is a legal document. Numerous other websites have catches for users under the age of 13 to comply with the Child Internet Protection Act, some (like Wikia) completely deny user access to those under 13 so they do not have to worry about bookkeeping on such an issue."

 Saber Sworn  20:23, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Dude... you cannot even begin to imagine how many enemies you'll make... FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 20:32, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * So you think that we should break the U.S. law? FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 20:32, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Blog
Come and visit the blog for a broader and easier discussion! Marcaline 20:33, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Or we could keep all discussion in one place so it is actually organized... FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 20:34, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Most people don't come here, they come to the blogs and the chat. So to make people see this, I have to take it to the blogs. You'll make your voice be heard there better too. :) Marcaline 20:36, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * You forgot to answer this :)
 * So you think that we should break the U.S. law?
 * FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 20:37, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fuck yeah. If the laws says to jump over a cliff would you do it? If the law said to sell ur own mother, would you do it? If the law said to rat out your own friends, would you? Answer me that, Saber. You lill' fascist bitch. Marcaline 20:44, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't insult users, it's against the CoC. Please read it. And the thing is, the law doesn't say those extreme, false examples :) FP Pony Flipped.png Saber Sworn FP Pony.png 20:48, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * If it said those things, WOULD YOU DO IT? That's what I ask. Because you are the most extreme rule-loving mofo I ever met. Marcaline 20:50, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * saber sworn: wiki killer. Also, if this rule does pass please note that I am 15. :) But I pray it does not pass. " [[File:Staraptor.gif]] Fear  the   Demon [[File:Weavile.gif]] " 21:05, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Laws were made to restrinct stupid people from doing stupid things. Only stupid people need laws. Intelligent people do well no because there is a law that tells you so, but because it is the right thing to do. snafli.jpg Lord of the wikis   (Afliador8) pehiss.jpg 22:26, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Dang Marcaline your in the clear this month. Saber, just rest your head on your couch or desk and try to think about it through our minds, try to see what we mean so you would understand, you'll see what we mean about the laws, everything. (Finntheeditor 00:28, May 22, 2012 (UTC))

Well, well, well...
Looks like the bans have begun. I've just recieved word that Adventure King 1 and Alice the Wiz have been banned. I am issuing ultimatum: unblock them, or I will shift it into high-trolling mode!

OK, so I'm not serious. But I do wish to know: are they blocked for being under 13? Or is it a system glitch? BNSF1995, Alive since 1995 02:09, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * They were blocked for violating the wikia terms of use SaberSworn linked above. This is beyond the control of local admins. FPsig1.png Flame   Prince  Finn FPsig2.png 02:24, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, we can't unblock them since they have been globally blocked by wikia staff... -- 22.png

Sky '' 02:54, May 22, 2012 (UTC)